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The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

Jazzta said:
Because basketball is relevant to how the country is run. Easy man, anything that’s not part of the major news networks is a good start. I see a lot of references to CNN and MSNBC on this thread, as deceiving and disrespectful as they are. Any other lame attempt at making an argument?

You used to be more independent thinking, at least that’s the impression that I had. The neolib virus truly appears to be very contagious.
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So basically it's "what sources are you getting your news from? Oh well those sources suck, you should just look at the sources I look at cause my sources are right"

Nah, I will continue to do what I want.

Funny cause I used to think you were more of an independent thinker. The right seems to have infected you though.

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fishonjazz said:
So basically it's "what sources are you getting your news from? Oh well those sources suck, you should just look at the sources I look at cause my sources are right"

Nah, I will continue to do what I want.
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As you should, but then don’t go around supporting those who advocate limiting our source choices, like that Sasha Cohen.
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...259c16-183a-11ea-a659-7d69641c6ff7_story.html

More than 500 law professors say Trump committed ‘impeachable conduct’

More than 500 legal scholars have signed on to an open letter asserting that President Trump committed “impeachable conduct” and that lawmakers would be acting well within their rights if they ultimately voted to remove him from office.

The signers are law professors and other academics from universities across the country, including Harvard, Yale, Columbia, the University of California at Berkeley, the University of Michigan and many others...

“There is overwhelming evidence that President Trump betrayed his oath of office by seeking to use presidential power to pressure a foreign government to help him distort an American election, for his personal and political benefit, at the direct expense of national security interests as determined by Congress,” the group of professors wrote. “His conduct is precisely the type of threat to our democracy that the Founders feared when they included the remedy of impeachment in the Constitution.”
... The group noted in particular that Trump’s conduct seemed to be directed at affecting the results of the 2020 election, and thus it was not a matter that could be left to voters at the polls.
... “Put simply, if a President cheats in his effort at re-election, trusting the democratic process to serve as a check through that election is no remedy at all,” the professors wrote. “That is what impeachment is for.”
 
Congress has the ability to impeach for offenses that are totally legal.
Impeachable offenses are undefined, vague and ambiguous. The forefathers made it that way intentionally so the president can be held to a higher standard and can be impeached for things that a normal civilian could do with no legal repercussions.

For instance as a hypothetical:. Eating your couch is not illegal. Dressing like a clown is not illegal.
But don't ya think our president should be impeached if everytime me met with other world leaders he dressed up like a clown and proceeded to eat the couch he or another world leader was sitting on? I do. In that case he wouldn't have broken any laws, yet he would be a horrible holder of the office of the president.

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The Thriller said:
Are we fine with this?
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No, and this is jaw dropping. Thought that was not possible anymore where Trump is concerned, but this is jawdropping:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...er-than-house-can-draft-impeachment-articles/

Just in case you had any doubt that Trump would continue to corrupt our election system unless removed from office, here is evidence that he will not even wait for the Senate trial before pressing forward with his requests for foreign help. Moreover, the notion that Trump is fighting corruption is made even more preposterous by sending his attorney to conspire with Derkach, who allegedly has “associations with Ukrainian security services and an allegedly corrupt pharmaceutical firm” and who has opposed anti-corruption efforts.

But it gets worse (better?). “Giuliani tweeted that U.S. assistance to Ukraine on anti-corruption reforms could face a ‘major obstacle’ until the ‘conversation about corruption in Ukraine’ is resolved. Giuliani alleged ‘compelling’ evidence of criminal misdeeds by Biden, but gave no specifics.” In other words, the Trump-Giuliani team is still using “corruption” as euphemism for “investigating Biden." Moreover, in the absence of Trump telling Giuliani to knock it off, one must conclude that Trump has fully authorized this approach. Trump is still soliciting, through his attorney, foreigners to meddle in our election in violation of campaign finance rules that prohibit solicitation or receipt of anything of “value” from foreign nationals.
 
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Soooooo I’m guessing that “Saudi Arabia has a debt to pay” translates to buying American made weapons and staying at Trump properties. Then, all will be forgiven. Heck, it worked with Khashoggi.
 
Jazzta said:
Because basketball is relevant to how the country is run. Easy man, anything that’s not part of the major news networks is a good start. I see a lot of references to CNN and MSNBC on this thread, as deceiving and disrespectful as they are. Any other lame attempt at making an argument?

You used to be more independent thinking, at least that’s the impression that I had. The neolib virus truly appears to be very contagious.
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He's being pretty independent thinking IMHO. You seemed to realize how horrible Trump was and are now in the "everyone is equally horrible camp." I think that's a pretty ****ing stupid place to be, tbh. Trump is exceptionally horrible.

The U.S. has been a war mongering pro military industrial complex nation as a whole, on both sides. To act as though the established political norm in the U.S. is the same amount of bad as Trump's behavior, stupidity and incompetence seems weird as **** to me. If Biden is bad it's because the U.S. is bad.
 
Jazzta said:
As you should, but then don’t go around supporting those who advocate limiting our source choices, like that Sasha Cohen.
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You're being dishonest, and since it was pointed out before I'm left to assume you are being intentionally dishonest. AKA lying.
 
colton said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...259c16-183a-11ea-a659-7d69641c6ff7_story.html

More than 500 law professors say Trump committed ‘impeachable conduct’

More than 500 legal scholars have signed on to an open letter asserting that President Trump committed “impeachable conduct” and that lawmakers would be acting well within their rights if they ultimately voted to remove him from office.

The signers are law professors and other academics from universities across the country, including Harvard, Yale, Columbia, the University of California at Berkeley, the University of Michigan and many others...

“There is overwhelming evidence that President Trump betrayed his oath of office by seeking to use presidential power to pressure a foreign government to help him distort an American election, for his personal and political benefit, at the direct expense of national security interests as determined by Congress,” the group of professors wrote. “His conduct is precisely the type of threat to our democracy that the Founders feared when they included the remedy of impeachment in the Constitution.”
... The group noted in particular that Trump’s conduct seemed to be directed at affecting the results of the 2020 election, and thus it was not a matter that could be left to voters at the polls.
... “Put simply, if a President cheats in his effort at re-election, trusting the democratic process to serve as a check through that election is no remedy at all,” the professors wrote. “That is what impeachment is for.”
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Nobody cares a out what a group of registered democrat professors think. Reported for spamming and making the forum unreadable.


What is really interesting today is that Peter Schiff's staffer was working for Burisma. Why again was Schiff on the leading edge of the whistleblower leak, knowledge before anything came out? And sending his staffer on trips to Ukraine paid by Burisma? Hmm, couldnt be anything to the Ukraine corruption theory could it. Couldn't be this was all invented by Schiff, Hunter Biden who had zero work experience and was paid $850,000 for political favor, and Burisma to get back at Trump. Hell, even the new emails have Ukraine's guy suggesting to Sondland that there is a quid pro quo, not the other way around, AFTER the US State Dept had already been releasing funds to Ukraine. What was it, several million per day or per week, I cannot remember exactly.
 
idestroyedthetoilet said:
Nobody cares a out what a group of registered democrat professors think. Reported for spamming and making the forum unreadable.


What is really interesting today is that Peter Schiff's staffer was working for Burisma. Why again was Schiff on the leading edge of the whistleblower leak, knowledge before anything came out? And sending his staffer on trips to Ukraine paid by Burisma? Hmm, couldnt be anything to the Ukraine corruption theory could it. Couldn't be this was all invented by Schiff, Hunter Biden who had zero work experience and was paid $850,000 for political favor, and Burisma to get back at Trump. Hell, even the new emails have Ukraine's guy suggesting to Sondland that there is a quid pro quo, not the other way around, AFTER the US State Dept had already been releasing funds to Ukraine. What was it, several million per day or per week, I cannot remember exactly.
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speaking of spam and making the forum unreadable, your posts. You’re either poorly informed (stupid) or lying. I’m going to be optimistic and believe you’re only stupid. Let’s dig in!

1. A simple google search reveals that you got your information from Breitbart, one of the worst news sources out there. But what can you expect? You consume garbage so expect your writing to be garbage. Garbage in garbage out.

2. Breitbart relies on stupid people reading their headlines and not actually reading anything else. Nice job in proving them right.

3. Your stupidity in not reading beyond the headline or knowing anything about the Atlantic Council, makes for poorly informed posts.

Yet another staffer for Rep. Adam Schiff served as a fellow for the Atlantic Council, a think tank that is funded by and works in partnership with Burisma

Misko’s former position marks the second Schiff staffer who worked or currently works with the Atlantic Council.
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Let’s read up on who and what the Atlantic Council is, shall we?

The Atlantic Council is an American Atlanticist think tank in the field of international affairs. Founded in 1961, it provides a forum for international political, business, and intellectual leaders. It manages ten regional centers and functional programs related to international security and global economic prosperity. It is headquartered in Washington, D.C.. It is a member of the Atlantic Treaty Association.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Council

The Atlantic Council has a pretty good nonpartisan record. And even though Burisma donated to them, their donation wasn’t outrageously significant. Especially when you can actually look up donors and how much their biggest donors actually donate. But even if it were significant, why would that matter? The staffer didn’t work on behalf of Burisma, but for the AC.

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/support-the-council/honor-roll-of-contributors/

But there is one faction which hates this group. Now who would hate a Think Tank whose mission is to improve trade between western Atlantic countries? Who would hate such a pro-NATO organization? Pretty obvious, right?

The controversial pro-NATO Atlantic Council think tank has been added to a list of “undesirable” organizations and forbidden from operating within Russia.
Russia’s Prosecutor General said on Thursday that it had decided to recognize the activities of the Atlantic Council (AC) as those of a“foreign non-governmental organization” and as “undesirable” within the country.

“It has been established that the activities of this organization pose a threat to the fundamentals of the constitutional system and the security of the Russian Federation,” a statement said.
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https://www.rt.com/russia/465086-atlantic-council-russia-undesirable/

So I guess my question to some of you, @Jazzta, why do you do what you’re doing? I get that you trolls are just seeking attention. But you are willingly and perhaps wittingly or unwittingly, spewing Russian propaganda nearly on a daily basis on this site. It’s pretty obvious too. Your nonstop attack on reliable news sources and regurgitation of debunked theories and lies, doesn’t make you look smart or independent. It makes you look stupid. Just as @Gameface pointed out, you’re showing to be the dumbest and most poorly informed posters out there.

The sources you’re using to obtain information aren’t doing you any good. It’s definitely not informing anyone. And all you’re doing is serving an autocrats disinformation campaign against the west.
 
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idestroyedthetoilet said:
Nobody cares a out what a group of registered democrat professors think. Reported for spamming and making the forum unreadable.


What is really interesting today is that Peter Schiff's staffer was working for Burisma. Why again was Schiff on the leading edge of the whistleblower leak, knowledge before anything came out? And sending his staffer on trips to Ukraine paid by Burisma? Hmm, couldnt be anything to the Ukraine corruption theory could it. Couldn't be this was all invented by Schiff, Hunter Biden who had zero work experience and was paid $850,000 for political favor, and Burisma to get back at Trump. Hell, even the new emails have Ukraine's guy suggesting to Sondland that there is a quid pro quo, not the other way around, AFTER the US State Dept had already been releasing funds to Ukraine. What was it, several million per day or per week, I cannot remember exactly.
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This one is too cute and juicy. I should have gotten more into this squabble earlier, it's getting sorta interesting.

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usne...-found-with-ties-to-burisma-funded-think-tank

Apparently everyone tied to Peter Schiff and all sorts of people in the CIA and intelligence community have ties/are paid by Burisma, especially through The Atlantic Council.

"A second staffer for Representative Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, has been discovered to have ties to the Atlantic Council, a think tank that receives funding from and works in partnership with Burisma Holdings, the Ukrainian natural gas company whose relationship with Hunter and Joe Biden forms the basis of the current impeachment probe into President Trump.

The staffer, Sean Misko, reportedly joined Schiff’s staff at the House Intelligence Committee in August — the same month that the whistleblower’s complaint was filed after first reportedly interfacing with a Schiff staffer.

Misko has been described as being “close friends” with Eric Ciaramella, the CIA operative believed to be the whistleblower."


Hmm, looks like those consulting fees paid to Hunter Biden are starting to pay dividends. And remember when the whistleblower came forward? When Biden was on top of the polls and he knew that an impeached Trump would mean Biden winning in a landslide. So the Burisma/Biden bought and paid for staffer with his groupie support network create this nonsense and blow the whistle.
 
idestroyedthetoilet said:
You're being far too kind. Over the top is as mild as you could phrase it. I think the guy is scum, even told my kid when he asked that I lamented his election because I think we should respect the office regardless of who wins but didn't want him to respect it with Trump, think they should impeach him for illegally paying off hookers with campaign money, think he deserves to be impeached for his racist go back to where they came from remark about some congresswomen, and even believe he is most likely guilty of trying to bribe Ukraine even if it cannot be proven. But all of that is not enough if I'm not all in with both feet with every little fanatical accusation thrown out in this constant barrage.
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What happened to the guy who made the above post? How did he turn into the guy who made the below post in such a short amount of time?
idestroyedthetoilet said:
Nobody cares a out what a group of registered democrat professors think. Reported for spamming and making the forum unreadable.


What is really interesting today is that Peter Schiff's staffer was working for Burisma. Why again was Schiff on the leading edge of the whistleblower leak, knowledge before anything came out? And sending his staffer on trips to Ukraine paid by Burisma? Hmm, couldnt be anything to the Ukraine corruption theory could it. Couldn't be this was all invented by Schiff, Hunter Biden who had zero work experience and was paid $850,000 for political favor, and Burisma to get back at Trump. Hell, even the new emails have Ukraine's guy suggesting to Sondland that there is a quid pro quo, not the other way around, AFTER the US State Dept had already been releasing funds to Ukraine. What was it, several million per day or per week, I cannot remember exactly.
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idestroyedthetoilet said:
This one is too cute and juicy. I should have gotten more into this squabble earlier, it's getting sorta interesting.

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usne...-found-with-ties-to-burisma-funded-think-tank

Apparently everyone tied to Peter Schiff and all sorts of people in the CIA and intelligence community have ties/are paid by Burisma, especially through The Atlantic Council.

"A second staffer for Representative Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, has been discovered to have ties to the Atlantic Council, a think tank that receives funding from and works in partnership with Burisma Holdings, the Ukrainian natural gas company whose relationship with Hunter and Joe Biden forms the basis of the current impeachment probe into President Trump.

The staffer, Sean Misko, reportedly joined Schiff’s staff at the House Intelligence Committee in August — the same month that the whistleblower’s complaint was filed after first reportedly interfacing with a Schiff staffer.

Misko has been described as being “close friends” with Eric Ciaramella, the CIA operative believed to be the whistleblower."


Hmm, looks like those consulting fees paid to Hunter Biden are starting to pay dividends. And remember when the whistleblower came forward? When Biden was on top of the polls and he knew that an impeached Trump would mean Biden winning in a landslide. So the Burisma/Biden bought and paid for staffer with his groupie support network create this nonsense and blow the whistle.
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One of the "three amigos" Kurt Volker was a Senior advisor to the Atlantic Council. By your logic he was also being paid by Burisma, how does this fit into your little story?

Of course, I'm not surprised that little tidbit got left out of the far right rags you call news.
 
The Thriller said:
speaking of spam and making the forum unreadable, your posts. You’re either poorly informed or lying. I’m going to be optimistic and believe you’re only stupid. Let’s dig in!

1. A simple google search reveals that you got your information from Breitbart, one of the worst news sources out there. But what can you expect? You consume garbage so expect your writing to be garbage. Garbage in garbage out.

2. Breitbart relies on stupid people reading their headlines and not actually reading anything else. Nice job in proving them right.

3. Your stupidity in not reading beyond the headline or knowing anything about the Atlantic Council, makes for poorly informed posts.



Let’s read up on who and what the Atlantic Council is, shall we?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Council

The Atlantic Council has a pretty good nonpartisan record. And even though Burisma donated to them, their donation wasn’t outrageously significant. Especially when you can actually look up donors and how much their biggest donors actually donate. But even if it were significant, why would that matter? The staffer didn’t work on behalf of Burisma, but for the AC.

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/support-the-council/honor-roll-of-contributors/

But there is one faction which hates this group. Now who would hate a Think Tank whose mission is to improve trade between western Atlantic countries? Who would hate such a pro-NATO organization? Pretty obvious, right?



https://www.rt.com/russia/465086-atlantic-council-russia-undesirable/

So I guess my question to some of you, @Jazzta, why do you do what you’re doing? I get that you trolls are just seeking attention. But you are willingly and perhaps wittingly or unwittingly, spewing Russian propaganda nearly on a daily basis on this site. It’s pretty obvious too. Your nonstop attack on reliable news sources and regurgitation of debunked theories and lies, doesn’t make you look smart or independent. It makes you look stupid. Just as @Gameface pointed out, you’re showing to be the dumbest and most poorly informed posters out there.

The sources you’re using to obtain information isn’t doing yourselves any good. It’s definitely not informing anyone. And all you’re doing is serving an autocrats disinformation campaign against the west.
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I love how these chuckleheads can't be sure about Trumps quid pro quo with Ukraine, and are aghast whenever anyone makes any straightforward inferences into his motivations, but are immediately convinced there's a conspiracy going on on the other side based on the most flimsy connections imaginable.
 
Zombie said:
Holy ****, I've cracked the case! Rupert Murdoch is also on the international advisory board for the Atlantic Council. This just got way bigger than any of us could possibly have imagined.
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Let me lay this out for you very politely and slow so you can see the picture clearly. Then you are free to take from it what you like, and that will tell us where your motives lie.

Burisma signed an agreement with Atlantic.
Atlantic paid Peter Schiff's guy to go to Ukraine. Not some other related think tank business, but Ukraine business.
Immediately after this trip, a Burisma link Ukrainian suggests to Sondland that there is quid pro quo, not other way around.
Immediately after this, Peter Schiff and them start leaking Trump Ukraine stuff.
The whistleblower is buddy buddy with said guy above. They all form this tidy little tangled web.

So you want to claim that because money is fungible that Burisma paying Atlantic to pay the whistleblower team to travel to Ukraine and then break this story was somehow not Burisma paying Peter Schiff's squad? That's as laughable and disingenuous as it gets, and you know it Zombie.
 
idestroyedthetoilet said:
Burisma signed an agreement with Atlantic.
Atlantic paid Peter Schiff's guy to go to Ukraine. Not some other related think tank business, but Ukraine business
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Burisma and the AC made this agreement in 2017, why are you presenting these two facts as if they're connected?

The AC sent a number of staffers of their Eurasian center on this trip, which was planned way back in May. Your time line is starting to fall apart here.

idestroyedthetoilet said:
Immediately after this trip, a Burisma link Ukrainian suggests to Sondland that there is quid pro quo, not other way around.
Immediately after this, Peter Schiff and them start leaking Trump Ukraine stuff.
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Which Burisma linked individual are you talking about, and how is he linked? Why does it matter that this Ukrainian brought up the issue of the quid pro quo?

Again, his name is Adam Schiff, and you have no evidence he nor his office is behind the leaks.

idestroyedthetoilet said:
So you want to claim that because money is fungible that Burisma paying Atlantic to pay the whistleblower team to travel to Ukraine and then break this story was somehow not Burisma paying Peter Schiff's squad? That's as laughable and disingenuous as it gets, and you know it Zombie
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I'm claiming that AC's interest in Ukraine doesn't begin or end with Burisma, and you're positing conjecture, like that the trip to Ukraine was on behalf of Burisma, as if it's a fact without any evidence. Par for the course really.
 
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