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NAOS said:
I wish dum2003 were a legitimate troll (instead of just a regular dummy), because if so, this would be the best trolljob on Cy in a long time.
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I’ve been amazed that he has been engaging. This is a budding PGAB (personality wise).
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The defense has to collapse on Gobert re****inggardless. I dont give a **** if that's Korver in the corner. If their D plan is to hard hedge a PNR then the guy from the corner has to help down. I guess they could help off the above the break elbow player, but they probably arent unless the guy in the corner is the elite of the elite. The recovery from helping on the roll to the above the break 3 is too great and is the difference between an open vs contested shot (huge % difference) or an open vs wide open attempt (also a huge percentage difference for most players).

Houston's gameplan was not to leave Niang open, it was to get the ball out of Mitchell's hands and make him see bodies off the picks and stop Gobert from rolling comfortably. It happened, but that was never their desired outcome (if you remember everyone on the team was ice cold, so Houston was emboldened to continue to do it). Niang only played 40 actual minutes of non-garbage time minutes in the Houston series (the last three games) precisely because Snyder wanted more shooting on the court. AND IT WORKED! Niang was an overall +11 in those minutes and the Jazz won a game and came within 3 and 7 in the other two. But congrats you cherry picked two clips, one of Harden being lazy and the other of someone leaving a shooter to stop a dunk (THAT NEVER HAPPENS!).
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So Niang is the reason we won a game against Houston?










Ok
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The defense has to collapse on Gobert re****inggardless. I dont give a **** if that's Korver in the corner. If their D plan is to hard hedge a PNR then the guy from the corner has to help down. I guess they could help off the above the break elbow player, but they probably arent unless the guy in the corner is the elite of the elite. The recovery from helping on the roll to the above the break 3 is too great and is the difference between an open vs contested shot (huge % difference) or an open vs wide open attempt (also a huge percentage difference for most players).

Houston's gameplan was not to leave Niang open, it was to get the ball out of Mitchell's hands and make him see bodies off the picks and stop Gobert from rolling comfortably. It happened, but that was never their desired outcome (if you remember everyone on the team was ice cold, so Houston was emboldened to continue to do it). Niang only played 40 actual minutes of non-garbage time minutes in the Houston series (the last three games) precisely because Snyder wanted more shooting on the court. AND IT WORKED! Niang was an overall +11 in those minutes and the Jazz won a game and came within 3 and 7 in the other two. But congrats you cherry picked two clips, one of Harden being lazy and the other of someone leaving a shooter to stop a dunk (THAT NEVER HAPPENS!).
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com'on, just answer my question why don't you? it worked how? when defense has to collapse, who would houston be more willing to leave open? ingles, bojan or niang?

you admit it yourself. if the guy in the corner is an elite shooter like bojan, hou would probably not have executed the same play. hou deployed such strategy because they knew our players have troubles knocking down open shots all series long. it was their straregy, but that could easily backfire if niang was a real shooting threat and knocked down those shots they left for him to take like you suggested. but he wasn't. +11 is probably the only stats that worked in your favor because all other stats indicate that niang had a terrible outing. he shot 40% from the floor and 30% from deep, more specifically, he went 2 of 6(33%) from deep in that game, which justified hou's strategy handily.

have we had elite shooters like bojan or just niang for being who he is at the moment and shot, let's say, 4 of 6 or even 5 of 6 in that game, we'd have a chance at beating houston, or houston simply would not have executed that same game plan and would've focused on stopping our shooters instead and leaving more rooms to rudy and donovan.
 
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Saint Cy of JFC said:
How the **** is 4 seasons of college and 50 games in the G-League comparable to twelve ****ing shots where the guy is coming in for sporadic garbage time minutes?
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4 yr os college that is barely 150 games dude. and not to mention college three pointer is basically a long 2 in the nba.

and no, in fact niang did't even shoot 40% during his 4 yrs of college career. he shot 37.5%. that's a whole 2.5% off from your mark. we don't take discount sorry
 
candrew said:
Niang clearly has a knack for shooting the basketball that you can't teach. That's been obvious since Iowa State. They used to call them "pure shooters."

The fact that the organization stuck with him despite some shaky numbers should tell you something.
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all you are suggesting is that niang has the "potential" to be a good shooter in the nba, which he's been materializing as of late. but that still doesn't take away from the fact that it took him some time to get there. almost all shooters do. only the best of the best can shoot the lights out from day one.
 
whatthe said:
Lol. Niang is awesome and we are just arguing if we knew it or not.
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he's awesome now but he wasn't awesome then. but some idiots keep trying to suggest that he was awesome from the get go even though his performances from early games have suggested completely the opposite.
 
jom2003 said:
he's awesome now but he wasn't awesome then. but some idiots keep trying to suggest that he was awesome from the get go even though his performances from early games have suggested completely the opposite.
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Could you define “get go” for Niang? Let us know how long that stretch lasted, what his minutes looked like, and how many attempts he got.

TIA.
 
infection said:
Could you define “get go” for Niang? Let us know how long that stretch lasted, what his minutes looked like, and how many attempts he got.

TIA.
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cy tried to argue that "niang was a legit shooter at the moment he entered the NBA". well, legit shooters don't go shooting 8%(1 for 12) from deep in 23 games very often, do they?
 
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jom2003 said:
com'on, just answer my question why don't you? it worked how? when defense has to collapse, who would houston be more willing to leave open? ingles, bojan or niang?

you admit it yourself. if the guy in the corner is an elite shooter like bojan, hou would probably not have executed the same play. hou deployed such strategy because they knew our players have troubles knocking down open shots all series long. it was their straregy, but that could easily backfire if niang was a real shooting threat and knocked down those shots they left for him to take like you suggested. but he wasn't. +11 is probably the only stats that worked in your favor because all other stats indicate that niang had a terrible outing. he shot 40% from the floor and 30% from deep, more specifically, he went 2 of 6(33%) from deep in that game, which justified hou's strategy handily.

have we had elite shooters like bojan or just niang for being who he is at the moment and shot, let's say, 4 of 6 or even 5 of 6 in that game, we'd have a chance at beating houston, or houston simply would not have executed that same game plan and would've focused on stopping our shooters instead and leaving more rooms to rudy and donovan.
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No, Houston would probably still execute the same defense. I said they might stop it if it didnt work. The Jazz shot far below their expected FG% for the shot quality they got that series. They just had a bad shooting series and it emboldened Houston's scheme. Niang is a real knockdown shooter.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
No, Houston would probably still execute the same defense. I said they might stop it if it didnt work. The Jazz shot far below their expected FG% for the shot quality they got that series. They just had a bad shooting series and it emboldened Houston's scheme. Niang is a real knockdown shooter.
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this is getting dumb. back it up with real facts why don't you? hou execute the defense because niang wasn't a knockdown shooter in their book. and he for sure didn't shoot like a real knockdown shooter for us during that series or else why did HOU's strategy worked and we ended up losing that series? don't argue against real facts Cy. you can't win it.
 
jom2003 said:
this is getting dumb. back it up with real facts why don't you? hou execute the defense because niang wasn't a knockdown shooter in their book. and he for sure didn't shoot like a real knockdown shooter for us during that series or else why did HOU's strategy worked and we ended up losing that series? don't argue against real facts Cy. you can't win it.
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Because Utah was cold and was missing shots. Houston's defense was a risk and it paid off for them. Utah just wasnt confident after those first two games were they played terribly. Ingles shot 28% from 3 in that series as well and he had plenty of wide open 3's. Same with Royce who shot 31% on nearly all open 3's. Houston's D would have backfired if Utah just shot how they usually shot on those open 3's. They just got unlucky.

ANd again, the gif you posted of the MItchell skip pass to NIang, Houston committed a full sprinting run by close out to contest the shot. They clearly respected Niang's shot you moron.
 
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