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President Harry Truman: "the buck stops here".("The buck stops here" is a phrase that was popularized by U.S. President Harry S. Truman, who kept a sign with that phrase on his desk in the Oval Office. The phrase refers to the notion that the President has to make the decisions and accept the ultimate responsibility for those decisions.)

So, how about Trump? He's the captain of the ship. The buck stops here, yes? Well...

Well, the testing gaffes, the CDC really dropped the ball, it happened under Trump's watch, and, although a week or so ago, he blamed it on Obama, of course, lol, he knows the buck stops with him. He'll step up to the plate and accept responsibility, right? Right?



Hmm. OK, well, the National Security Council's pandemic team, disbanded under his watch. He'll take responsibility, right? Right?

https://www.motherjones.com/coronavirus-updates/2020/03/trump-pandemic-white-house-budget-video/

“I just think that’s a nasty question.”

That was Trump’s response when, at Friday afternoon’s coronavirus press conference, PBS’s Yamiche Alcindor pressed the president about why he refused to take responsibility for disbanding the White House office for pandemic preparedness, in March 2018.

“When you say me, I didn’t do it,” Trump scoffed. “I mean, you say we did that. I don’t know anything about it.”

In reality, the White House got rid of its global health security team in a 2018 John Bolton-led reshuffle. With the sudden departure of its leader, there was no top-ranking White House official looking after how the US should respond to crises like the coronavirus.



I remember candidate Trump saying "only I can fix it". But, now that he's president, if the fix gets screwed up, the buck sure doesn't stop at his desk. And, if he can blame Obama, well, that's his go to move....
 
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Hey guys... hope everyone is safe around here.

My country just declared state of emergency yesterday at least for the next 1 month.

They are closing all schools, all kindergartens, all extracurricular activities in groups for schoolkids, all universities. Where possible, they will continue classes online.

They are banning all group events - concerts, sports events, theaters, clubs, conferences, etc.

Closing all non-essential stores - only food supermarkets and drug stores will be open.

The private businesses are advised to let their employees work from home when possible, and when not possible to conduct their business in extreme caution and measures - filters, masks, disinfection, screening for illness of all personnel in beginning of the work day, etc.

In order to lessen the burden on the healthcare system all non-essential surgeries and procedures are postponed. All organ transplants are postponed. All seasonal medical checks and immunizations are suspended... all hospital visits are suspended, etc.

I'm kind of surprised this happened. Usually our bureaucracy is horrible and the state is very slow to move. The first indications I got that they might actually have good people working on this and advising the decision-makers was a press-conference the other day where they mentioned they are monitoring how the disease is spreading in other countries and that we are just in the beginning of the curve of infections. I expected this will take a 100 people dying before they took measures for serious social distancing. We are severely short on medical supplies and equipment. I have no idea if this will work or to what extent it will work... who will watch the nurses' kids for example? Are we going to suffer shortage of medical workers? No idea. But I bet this wasn't an easy political decision to make. They've been doing good job explaining the measures and the situation and what's to be expected. I never was a fan of my country's administration and political class, but I kind of am glad they are taking measures somewhat preemptively, rather than waiting for the **** to hit the fan... which it very likely will(right now we have only 31 confirmed cases with 2 deaths).

Anyways... stay safe and good luck.
 
The Trump presidency is over. The Atlantic has a paywall after 5 articles, so I'm extracting key paragraphs. Well, I guess I always do, lol. Written by a life long Republican.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/peter-wehner-trump-presidency-over/607969/

--To be sure, the president isn’t responsible for either the coronavirus or the disease it causes, COVID-19, and he couldn’t have stopped it from hitting our shores even if he had done everything right......

--That said, the president and his administration are responsible for grave, costly errors, most especially the epic manufacturing failures in diagnostic testing, the decision to test too few people, the delay in expanding testing to labs outside the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and problems in the supply chain....

--We also know the World Health Organization had working tests that the United States refused, and researchers at a project in Seattle tried to conduct early tests for the coronavirus but were prevented from doing so by federal officials.

--But that’s not all. The president reportedly ignored early warnings of the severity of the virus and grew angry at a CDC official who in February warned that an outbreak was inevitable. The Trump administration dismantled the National Security Council’s global-health office, whose purpose was to address global pandemics; we’re now paying the price for that. “We worked very well with that office,” Fauci told Congress. “It would be nice if the office was still there.” We may face a shortage of ventilators and medical supplies, and hospitals may soon be overwhelmed, certainly if the number of coronavirus cases increases at a rate anything like that in countries such as Italy. (This would cause not only needless coronavirus-related deaths, but deaths from those suffering from other ailments who won’t have ready access to hospital care.)....

--Yet in some respects, the avalanche of false information from the president has been most alarming of all. It’s been one rock slide after another, the likes of which we have never seen. Day after day after day he brazenly denied reality, in an effort to blunt the economic and political harm he faced....

--The president’s misinformation and mendacity about the coronavirus are head-snapping. He claimed that it was contained in America when it was actually spreading. He claimed that we had “shut it down” when we had not. He claimed that testing was available when it wasn’t. He claimed that the coronavirus will one day disappear “like a miracle”; it won’t. He claimed that a vaccine would be available in months; Fauci says it will not be available for a year or more....

--Trump falsely blamed the Obama administration for impeding coronavirus testing....The president claimed that the number of cases in Italy was getting “much better” when it was getting much worse....Taken together, this is a massive failure in leadership that stems from a massive defect in character. Trump is such a habitual liar that he is incapable of being honest, even when being honest would serve his interests....

--Donald Trump is shrinking before our eyes.
The coronavirus is quite likely to be the Trump presidency’s inflection point, when everything changed, when the bluster and ignorance and shallowness of America’s 45th president became undeniable, an empirical reality, as indisputable as the laws of science or a mathematical equation....

--It has taken a good deal longer than it should have, but Americans have now seen the con man behind the curtain...His administration may stagger on, but it will be only a hollow shell. The Trump presidency is over.
 
So, Trump didn't know anything about shutting down the NSC pandemic team? Well, liar, liar, pants on fire...

 
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So, Trump didn't know anything about shutting down the NSC pandemic team? Well, liar, liar, pants on fire...

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Not surprising you won't answer my question as to why Americans will get sick at 2000% more than the rest of the world that you grossly fear mongered. Think about this... To hit your disgusting fear mongering deadly politically motivated idiotic numbers did you know it would take 1,600,000(BaSic MaThs) cases every day for 3 months to hit your disgusting fear mongering tweet?

So I ask again, what makes the US so much more susceptible than the rest of the world. Why are going to have millions a day while other countries have hundreds? It's an honest question...
 
@Red rambling on when we don't even have a clue how this going to effect us. First he puts out absolutely idiotic numbers and now he's blaming the president for something that we don't even know what's going to happen. Crazy dude is living off of fairy tales.

It's almost(there's no almost) like youre salivating at the thought of people getting sick and dying. You will never admit it but you're enjoying this. You're actually helping spread the unnecessary panic.
 
Yesterdays numbers
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Todays numbers
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The way I'm seeing it is that 93 new cases is about average. Not to mention we have a much higher population than most. Places like Switzerland and the Netherlands are getting hit hard while Iran and Spain are still getting dominated.

Denmark has about 1 in 244,000 getting it daily
US has about 1 in 3,500,000 getting it daily

But Trump ehh @Red?
 
JazzyFresh said:
Not surprising you won't answer my question as to why Americans will get sick at 2000% more than the rest of the world that you grossly fear mongered. Think about this... To hit your disgusting fear mongering deadly politically motivated idiotic numbers did you know it would take 1,600,000(BaSic MaThs) cases every day for 3 months to hit your disgusting fear mongering tweet?

So I ask again, what makes the US so much more susceptible than the rest of the world. Why are going to have millions a day while other countries have hundreds? It's an honest question...
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He already referred you to ask the doctor that he quoted. Multiple times. Those weren't red's numbers. He got them from someone else so you will have to ask that person your questions that you demand answers to.

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@Red rambling on when we don't even have a clue how this going to effect us. First he puts out absolutely idiotic numbers and now he's blaming the president for something that we don't even know what's going to happen. Crazy dude is living off of fairy tales.

It's almost(there's no almost) like youre salivating at the thought of people getting sick and dying. You will never admit it but you're enjoying this. You're actually helping spread the unnecessary panic.
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He was actually blaming the president for things the president has already done. Not futuristic things. And again, those things that you are claiming red is blaming the president for were actually from an article that he posted a link to. Not things red came up with himself.

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Yesterdays numbers
89789871_2943476989024816_8882836131633168384_o.jpg

Todays numbers
89917511_2945675618804953_7629464275504857088_o.jpg

The way I'm seeing it is that 93 new cases is about average. Not to mention we have a much higher population than most. Places like Switzerland and the Netherlands are getting hit hard while Iran and Spain are still getting dominated.

Denmark has about 1 in 244,000 getting it daily
US has about 1 in 3,500,000 getting it daily

But Trump ehh @Red?
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Did you know that if you don't administer tests that it effects the numbers? I might have the coronavirus right now but would have no way of knowing.

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JazzyFresh said:
Not surprising you won't answer my question as to why Americans will get sick at 2000% more than the rest of the world that you grossly fear mongered. Think about this... To hit your disgusting fear mongering deadly politically motivated idiotic numbers did you know it would take 1,600,000(BaSic MaThs) cases every day for 3 months to hit your disgusting fear mongering tweet?
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Examine the models to understand this, I do not owe you anything. Just use Google to understand the modeling behind the various estimates. I found several studies estimating degree of spread in the United States last night. I don't understand why you can't. Some of the articles I already posted included the assumptions behind certain models. Other models the CDC will not discuss. I will not help you.

Do you know what the basic assumption was behind the highest infection totals suggested for the United States? I do, and, if you did, you would actually be relieved when you realized what that basic assumption was. But you are just yanking my chain. You know that. I know that. So, of course I will not help you, although here, in a moment of weakness, lol, I just gave you a clue. And it's spelled right out, the assumption underlying the model projecting the highest American totals, in at least one of the articles I posted earlier. There, another clue. Far more than you deserve.

Earlier in this thread, you directed the same question to everyone, and you ended it by saying "serious question". Do you realize by adding "serious question", you were actually acknowledging that you know many members here regard you as a troll? That's a classic tell on your part. You added "serious question" because you know many do not take you seriously. I wonder why? Well, no, I don't, and apparently, neither do you.

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It's almost(there's no almost) like youre salivating at the thought of people getting sick and dying. You will never admit it but you're enjoying this. You're actually helping spread the unnecessary panic.
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Seems to me I stand an excellent chance of dying if I contract the coronavirus, since I have four high risk factors. My wife would also stand a good chance of dying, since she has two high risk factors. This comment by you is among the dumbest, and most unbelievable, as in who would possibly believe this, that you have made so far. I do not want to die. I do not want my wife to die. I do not want untold numbers of Americans to die. Spreading unnecessary panic? The more people take this VERY seriously, the more people will act responsibly and maintain safe social distancing, for example.

That you would think anti-Trumpers are salivating at the prospect of so many Americans dying actually shows what a sick, sick, sick dude you really are. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
 
It's such a broad topic and we don't have much other stuff to talk about anyway that it would make sense to split this thread to discuss different aspects separately. Eg: "how covid effects your everyday life now", "trump vs covid" etc.
 
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He already referred you to ask the doctor that he quoted. Multiple times. Those weren't red's numbers. He got them from someone else so you will have to ask that person your questions that you demand answers to.

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Thanks, fish. And I think you and I both know he knows that already. This is just his particular troll method, basically. This is what he does with every person on this board, if he knows the person in question does not like the present occupant of the Oval Office. I'm surprised at how many reply to him at all, and some have correctly pointed out that we should not feed this particular troll. But, I'm guilty as well in that regard.
 
Jazzmix said:
It's such a broad topic and we don't have much other stuff to talk about anyway that it would make sense to split this thread to discuss different aspects separately. Eg: "how covid effects your everyday life now", "trump vs covid" etc.
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That's not a bad idea. I noticed yesterday that some of the "Trump and coronavirus" aspects were posted in the 2020 election thread, and with good reason, since while Trump said in his address from the Oval Office a couple of nights ago that we need to not politicize coronavirus, it was he who then proceeded to politicize the coronavirus. He's thinking of November whenever he does that. Anyway, not sure your idea will be taken up. For many reasons, it's pretty darn impossible to extricate issues with Trump from the coronavirus issues. But, Trump brought that upon himself. The Atlantic article I posted enumerated his many lies and misinformation that he, and he alone, presented to the American people. Dang it all, the buck stops here, Mr. Trump.

Stay safe!
 
Red said:
Examine the models to understand this, I do not owe you anything. Just use Google to understand the modeling behind the various estimates. I found several studies estimating degree of spread in the United States last night. I don't understand why you can't. Some of the articles I already posted included the assumptions behind certain models. Other models the CDC will not discuss. I will not help you.

Do you know what the basic assumption was behind the highest infection totals suggested for the United States? I do, and, if you did, you would actually be relieved when you realized what that basic assumption was. But you are just yanking my chain. You know that. I know that. So, of course I will not help you, although here, in a moment of weakness, lol, I just gave you a clue. And it's spelled right out, the assumption underlying the model projecting the highest American totals, in at least one of the articles I posted earlier. There, another clue. Far more than you deserve.

Earlier in this thread, you directed the same question to everyone, and you ended it by saying "serious question". Do you realize by adding "serious question", you were actually acknowledging that you know many members here regard you as a troll? That's a classic tell on your part. You added "serious question" because you know many do not take you seriously. I wonder why? Well, no, I don't, and apparently, neither do you.



Seems to me I stand an excellent chance of dying if I contract the coronavirus, since I have four high risk factors. My wife would also stand a good chance of dying, since she has two high risk factors. This comment by you is among the dumbest, and most unbelievable, as in who would possibly believe this, that you have made so far. I do not want to die. I do not want my wife to die. I do not want untold numbers of Americans to die. Spreading unnecessary panic? The more people take this VERY seriously, the more people will act responsibly and maintain safe social distancing, for example.

That you would think anti-Trumpers are salivating at the prospect of so many Americans dying actually shows what a sick, sick, sick dude you really are. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
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Can't answer the question. You can post absolutely ridiculous tweets saying half the population is going to get sick but you can't even back up why Americans are 2000% more prone to the virus. Your response is to call me a troll and try to push the conversation away to me proving what a terrible fear mongerer you are.

It's a completely valid question. Nothing malicious about asking why 50% of America will get sick yet not even half of a percent is sick in any other country. Yet your answer? Calling me a troll...

That around here just verifies you guys have no answers. Your go-to move to change the conversation. Keep up the spread of panic and disarray brother. I hope you don't get sick and u hope you the best. I just wish you could answer my question.
 
I mean could somebody at least give me a link as to why 50% of America will get sick yet no others country is even at .5%?

Let's even say 10% with no other country at .5%.

I can't find it. Im genuinely curious but instead of an answer I'm getting called a troll. Again... I've looked and can't find any info behind such fear mongering. So I sincerely am asking.
 
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