2020 Presidential election

[infection]

Basically, a good gauge on how the DNC addresses this will be by seeing whatever Thriller responds with, if anything. If he calls for him being ousted then I’ll be surprised, yet impressed by his consistency. But I’m not anticipating that. Both Thriller and the DNC will say/do nothing until another plan is in place.

 

[The Thriller]

That's a very poor answer

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how so? I’ve seen this story on twitter. And tweeted by my Bernie friends. Personally, I’ve been a bit distracted by the global pandemic thing... and Tiger King. I’ll take a look at what the Post and NPR have to say about it later.

But investigate this accusation. Were you expecting me to shrug it off or brag about it like I was part of the cult 45?

If this person’s story is credible, then I think he should do the right thing and drop out of the race.

Why am I being asked about this story? Isn’t this a question that most of us will face? I mean, Don’t most of you want Trump out of office? Would you still support the Democrats’ best chance of ousting Trump if this accusation is true? Remember, Biden is up by 9 pts on trump by a Fox News polls). Or is a 30+ year old accusation worth giving Trump 4 more years? Not sure why I’m the one being singled out here.

This isn’t a great scenario. Biden was never my first or second choice. Which is why singling me out seems odd. What do never Trumpers like @colton think? Or Bernie guys like @Zombie?

Wish Cory Booker, Warren, Klobuchar, or Harris had been the candidate honestly.

 

[Gameface]

Basically, a good gauge on how the DNC addresses this will be by seeing whatever Thriller responds with, if anything. If he calls for him being ousted then I’ll be surprised, yet impressed by his consistency. But I’m not anticipating that. Both Thriller and the DNC will say/do nothing until another plan is in place.

Wait, so you will equate the DNC response to how the Trump administration and his followers handled Kavanaugh if they wait long enough to put another person forward to take his place, even if that means they do call for an end to his candidacy?

 

[Gameface]

how so? I’ve seen this story on twitter. And tweeted by my Bernie friends. Personally, I’ve been a bit distracted by the global pandemic thing... and Tiger King. I’ll take a look at what the Post and NPR have to say about it later.

But investigate this accusation. Were you expecting me to shrug it off or brag about it like I was part of the cult 45?

If this person’s story is credible, then I think he should do the right thing and drop out of the race.

Why am I being asked about this story? Isn’t this a question that most of us will face? I mean, Don’t most of you want Trump out of office? Would you still support the Democrats’ best chance of ousting Trump if this accusation is true? Remember, Biden is up by 9 pts on trump by a Fox News polls). Or is a 30+ year old accusation worth giving Trump 4 more years?

This isn’t a great scenario. Wish Cory Booker or Kamala had been the candidate.

I would NOT support the best chance of ousting Trump if that option is a sexual assaulter.

I would not support either candidate in that situation.

 

[infection]

Wait, so you will equate the DNC response to how the Trump administration and his followers handled Kavanaugh if they wait long enough to put another person forward to take his place, even if that means they do call for an end to his candidacy?

I’m saying that when push comes to shove, it’s about beating Trump, and they can now use “well look at Kavanaugh” as an arrow in their quiver.

 

[The Thriller]

I would NOT support the best chance of ousting Trump if that option is a sexual assaulter.

I would not support either candidate in that situation.

excellent. Which is fine if we are all asked this question. I find it weird that I’m being singled out here. As if my opinion about Biden matters more than any of you who’ve spent the last 3 years hating Trump. Why?

if the story is credible, then he should drop out. Sexual assaulters should be held accountable, not raised to the White House where they can appoint two Supreme Court justices, pass devastating tax cut legislation, gut healthcare, threaten NATO, and kill Americans who don’t kiss his *** during a pandemic.

Right?

 

[Gameface]

I’m saying that when push comes to shove, it’s about beating Trump, and they can now use “well look at Kavanaugh” as an arrow in their quiver.

Not with any credibility they can't. That has been the disgusting and morally corrupt take the Trump followers have put forth. It isn't a valid argument. It doesn't even make sense unless what were saying is that it doesn't matter. That nothing matters except that our guy wins.

I know you think the Democrats are just the same as the Republicans. I don't think that's true (although I'd make the clear distinction between Republicans in general and Republican Trump supporters specifically). I think that if this accusation is credible then Biden is out.

 

[Gameface]

excellent. Which is fine if we are all asked this question. I find it weird that I’m being singled out here. As if my opinion about Biden matters more than any of you who’ve spent the last 3 years hating Trump. Why?

if the story is credible, then he should drop out. Sexual assaulters should be held accountable, not raised to the White House where they can appoint two Supreme Court justices, pass devastating tax cut legislation, gut healthcare, threaten NATO, and kill Americans who don’t kiss his *** during a pandemic.

Right?

Dude...

They should not be raised to the White House because we should hold our President to a high standard. One that being a sexual assaulter disqualifies you from. Has absolutely nothing to do with they type of legislation gets passed.

 

[infection]

Not with any credibility they can't. That has been the disgusting and morally corrupt take the Trump followers have put forth. It isn't a valid argument. It doesn't even make sense unless what were saying is that it doesn't matter. That nothing matters except that our guy wins.

I know you think the Democrats are just the same as the Republicans. I don't think that's true (although I'd make the clear distinction between Republicans in general and Republican Trump supporters specifically). I think that if this accusation is credible then Biden is out.

Your last sentence contains the conditions upon which all of this is predicated. The task here isn’t to justify nominating someone who’s sexually assaulted someone, it’s to now discredit the individual. Fortunately for them, Russian disinformation provides a palatable backdrop, as does “but Trump.”

 

[infection]

But to repeat, many who wonder “how could anyone support someone accused of____,” will have that question answered in November. The answer will come in a myriad of ways, but it will come.

 

[Gameface]

Your last sentence contains the conditions upon which all of this is predicated. The task here isn’t to justify nominating someone who’s sexually assaulted someone, it’s to now discredit the individual. Fortunately for them, Russian disinformation provides a palatable backdrop, as does “but Trump.”

I haven't heard specifics about the allegation. I don't think this turns into an effort to talk about what kind of skirt the accuser was wearing. Again, I think you're going to see this handled in a significantly different way than the Kavanaugh situation was.

If I'm wrong I'll admit it and I'll condemn Biden and the DNC for it emphatically.

 

[infection]

I haven't heard specifics about the allegation. I don't think this turns into an effort to talk about what kind of skirt the accuser was wearing. Again, I think you're going to see this handled in a significantly different way than the Kavanaugh situation was.

If I'm wrong I'll admit it and I'll condemn Biden and the DNC for it emphatically.

We will see. People have already pushed back on the credibility. If you want the accuser’s own words, I linked them above. It’s about 7-8 minutes.

But when it comes down to Biden or Trump, it will make it a lot easier for many to favor alternative explanations. “But Trump” will be a big part of that.

I guess we’ll see.

 

[Gameface]

We will see. People have already pushed back on the credibility. If you want the accuser’s own words, I linked them above. It’s about 7-8 minutes.

But when it comes down to Biden or Trump, it will make it a lot easier for many to favor alternative explanations. “But Trump” will be a big part of that.

I guess we’ll see.

Well most people are going to vote for one or the other. So if the one they pick is Biden then yeah, they may be saying "but Trump." But I'm suggesting it doesn't come to that and that Biden might drop out.

I personally don't think he's up to a general Presidential election campaign regardless. But if this dogs him on top of the normal pressure then I think he will drop out.

 

[fishonjazz]

Basically, many of those who have wondered, “I just don’t understand how anyone could vote for someone who ____,” are going to get their question answered in November.

Unless, of course, this criticism is buoyed by Russian misinformation. In that case then we must keep our eye on the prize and not be thwarted by Putin.

Well we already know how Republicans answer that questiom

excellent. Which is fine if we are all asked this question. I find it weird that I’m being singled out here. As if my opinion about Biden matters more than any of you who’ve spent the last 3 years hating Trump. Why?

if the story is credible, then he should drop out. Sexual assaulters should be held accountable, not raised to the White House where they can appoint two Supreme Court justices, pass devastating tax cut legislation, gut healthcare, threaten NATO, and kill Americans who don’t kiss his *** during a pandemic.

Right?

I think you were being single out because you have seemed happy that Biden was overtaking Bernie for the Democratic nomination. I don't think zombie, myself, or others have ever shown any tiny bit of support for Biden. That night be why.
Also I think many people on this sight see you as the most partisan Democrat. That's probably another reason why.

 

[infection]

Well we already know how Republicans answer that quest

Is that not the entire premise of my point?

 

[fishonjazz]

Is that not the entire premise of my point?

You said let's see how they vote in November or something.

I was simply pointing out that there is still hope for the Democrats to show some integrity.

That ship sailed long ago for the Republican party.

I'm hoping at least one party shows morals and integrity. We know it won't be the Republicans though.

 

[JazzGal]

With as handsy as Biden is, I'm not surprised he has done inappropriate things. As did George Bush Sr and probably thousands of men in their 60s, 70s and 80s (I've known many). It's only worse the more powerful and famous they were/are.

It is so distressing that we cannot find presidential candidates who have treated women with respect and decency their whole lives. Maybe there isn't any? We need a female candidate.

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[fishonjazz]

With as handsy as Biden is, I'm not surprised he has done inappropriate things. As did George Bush Sr and probably thousands of men in their 60s, 70s and 80s (I've known many). It's only worse the more powerful and famous they were/are.

It is so distressing that we cannot find presidential candidates who have treated women with respect and decency their whole lives. Maybe there isn't any? We need a female candidate.

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I dont remember obama having any sexual harrassment issues. Maybe i missed it though.

 

[gandalfe]

I dont remember obama having any sexual harrassment issues. Maybe i missed it though.

Just going backwards, with the question of "Have there been any sexual harassment accusations against...?":

Trump: Yes
Obama: No
GWB: No
Clinton: Yes
Bush Sr: Yes (after he left office)
Reagan: No (?)
Carter: No
Ford: No
Nixon: No (But he got off on power, not sex, anyway)

 

[JazzGal]

I dont remember obama having any sexual harrassment issues. Maybe i missed it though.

He wasn't 60+. Not from the same generation as Trump and Biden.

Hard to know about most previous presidents/candidates previous to #metoo because women weren't talking. But I do think most men now are at least aware of what is appropriate. Whether they choose to be appropriate and respectful is another matter. But back when I was growing up and then as a young adult, there were not discussions about this and women just had to shut up and put up with it. Even in my 50s I've had to make decisions about whether to report inappropriate coworkers.

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