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This is a chicken and egg scenario. Is Dwight simply a better athlete from the level of the DNA or is he just as much a product of the machine that makes athletes into what they are in the modern era? No doubt he would be a stellar athlete, but I think Wilt would be that much better again today with the same modern advantages, for example.

And yes, it is impossible to quantify, it is an interesting thought exercise however.

I think they are similar athletes with similar skill sets. One is good not great NBA journeyman and one is an all time legend. Hell I'd even throw Andre Drummond into the mix. Using pure stats as a measuring stick is silly. Wilt averaged 48.5 min a game one year. What are his per 36 stats instead? Adjusted for pace of play. What type of competition is he playing against?

There is a lot you can do to really get into the minutia and have a better opinion on it but I'm too lazy so I'll stand by my premise of every new generations produces far superior players than the next.
 
I think we have to be careful with this kind of comparison. I mean, these guys were all-world athletes in their eras, all the while most of them smoked, the training facilities, although cutting edge at that time, were YMCA gyms compared to modern facilities. They didn't have the benefits of modern nutritionists, 60+ years of basketball knowledge and experience in coaching. They didn't have people who specialized in nothing but perfecting their shot, or footwork, or what-have-you. Give any of them these modern advantages and how much better would they have been?

Also I am not a fan of the "but the league was small, there was no competition" argument. I would actually argue their competition was much stronger. The talent at the time was concentrated into fewer teams. They faced multiple all-star and all-league level players in every single game, not just maybe 1 or 2 with a bunch of role players around them. Now the talent is diluted. Imagine how much stronger the teams would be if we shrink the league today to say 20 teams. Or even 25.

Imagine Wilt with modern gym facilities, trainers, nutritionists, coaches. Summer skill programs. He would have been Shaq-and-a-half. He would likely have been far more dominant than anything we have seen.

So if we are comparing eras and thinking about dropping them all into the same arena, we have to give them the credit of the same inputs and acknowledge that the players of previous eras would just be that much better as the support facilities and staff around them improved.
I read that Bill Russell was talking with Steve Kerr, and said "Steve, in my day, you never would have made that game winning shot in the finals. Why? Because you would have been in the f***ing stands watching the game."
 
I read that Bill Russell was talking with Steve Kerr, and said "Steve, in my day, you never would have made that game winning shot in the finals. Why? Because you would have been in the f***ing stands watching the game."

Why? Because he wouldn't have been able to beat out the other short unathletic white guards of the day?
 
I think they are similar athletes with similar skill sets. One is good not great NBA journeyman and one is an all time legend. Hell I'd even throw Andre Drummond into the mix. Using pure stats as a measuring stick is silly. Wilt averaged 48.5 min a game one year. What are his per 36 stats instead? Adjusted for pace of play. What type of competition is he playing against?

There is a lot you can do to really get into the minutia and have a better opinion on it but I'm too lazy so I'll stand by my premise of every new generations produces far superior players than the next.
I don't agree with the "far" piece, so you would not take Karl Malone over, say Blake Griffin in their prime? Because Griffin is a generation further along? I also still argue that at least part of that improvement is due to training and facilities improvements, not just the DNA gets better and better.
 
We can’t pick and choose then. Jordan wouldn’t be the same player in today’s NBA. Players back then were horrible compared to today. Imagine 6’3 Byron Russell guarding LeBron.
 
This is a chicken and egg scenario. Is Dwight simply a better athlete from the level of the DNA or is he just as much a product of the machine that makes athletes into what they are in the modern era? No doubt he would be a stellar athlete, but I think Wilt would be that much better again today with the same modern advantages, for example.

And yes, it is impossible to quantify, it is an interesting thought exercise however.
Wilt dunked so hard, one time he broke someone's foot when the ball hit it.
 
We can’t pick and choose then. Jordan wouldn’t be the same player in today’s NBA. Players back then were horrible compared to today. Imagine 6’3 Byron Russell guarding LeBron.
I am confused and might need clarification. For starters, Bryon Russell was 6' 7" 225.
 
Riiight...
It was Johnny Kerr. Kerr didn't want to admit it at first, so he purposefully pretended to trip the next time down the floor and said that's when it happened, but he admitted it after the game.

Wilt also dislocated a dude's shoulder blocking his dunk. Gus Johnson was 6'6", 230 lbs, and Wilt just STOPPED him with one hand on the ball. Didn't bang into him or anything. He used to work out with Arnold Schwarzenneger, and could bench over 500. He was reportedly still benching 465 when he was in his late 50s. He was an absolute freak.
 
I've got a center and forward, so now I need a guard...

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I am confused and might need clarification. For starters, Bryon Russell was 6' 7" 225.

Typo, my bad. 6’9 245 LeBron against 6’7 225 Bryon Russell is laughable. Throw in 6’4 190 Hornacek and it’s a wrap.
 
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