I disagree. If one drives drunk, one is more likely to be held responsible for an accident, and we tell people all the time to not drive drunk. If you travel mask-less or gather with a large group, you are similarly responsible.
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I disagree. If one drives drunk, one is more likely to be held responsible for an accident, and we tell people all the time to not drive drunk. If you travel mask-less or gather with a large group, you are similarly responsible.
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It’s interesting how Trump apparently trump desires to test less. It’s almost as if he’s more concerned with the numbers and their impact on his re-election rather the health of Americans.
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https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...lster-the-cdc-a-leading-medical-journal-urges
Americans should oust President Trump from the White House and elect a leader who will support – rather than undermine – public health experts who are battling the COVID-19 pandemic, British medical journal The Lancet says in a newly published editorial.
The unsigned editorial sharply criticizes the Trump administration, saying it has marginalized the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to a degree that is dangerous for both the U.S. and the world.
"Americans must put a president in the White House come January, 2021, who will understand that public health should not be guided by partisan politics," the journal says.
Americans should oust President Trump from the White House and elect a leader who will support – rather than undermine – public health experts who are battling the COVID-19 pandemic, British medical journal The Lancet says in a newly published editorial.
The unsigned editorial sharply criticizes the Trump administration, saying it has marginalized the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to a degree that is dangerous for both the U.S. and the world.
"Americans must put a president in the White House come January, 2021, who will understand that public health should not be guided by partisan politics," the journal says.
So there have been a few reports of a person testing positive, then testing negative and then some time later testing positive again.
What I haven't heard about these situations seems to be the most important part, imho.
Did the person initially show definite symptoms? Did they then recover from those symptoms? After recovering from symptoms did they start displaying symptoms again?
I haven't seen that mentioned at all. Does anyone know?
What I haven't heard about these situations seems to be the most important part, imho.
Did the person initially show definite symptoms? Did they then recover from those symptoms? After recovering from symptoms did they start displaying symptoms again?
I haven't seen that mentioned at all. Does anyone know?
When you’re looking at large populations of people and looking at false positive and false negative rates, it wouldn’t be unheard of for someone to have a false negative somewhere in there.
As a side note, the WHO took heat for a tweet saying that there’s no evidence that having antibodies confers immunity to getting it again. This is true. It doesn’t mean that having antibodies doesn’t confer immunity, just that there’s currently no evidence. We infer that, but have to acknowledge there isn’t evidence. Likewise, however, there isn’t evidence that our lockdowns, quarantines, or social distancing are what curbed spread. We infer that. But the reality is there isn’t solid evidence for it at this point, and it’s unclear all the variables in that equation and what role they played.
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Could also be they got a **** test.
We have over 50 manufacturers making diagnostic tests for COVID-19 with zero oversight from the FDA.
As to whether or not someone can get the virus again. Researchers have infected monkeys with the virus who tested positive and then negative and then appeared to be immune to further exposure - so that's encouraging. The question is how long does that immunity last? A month? Two Months? A year? Nobody knows.
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The human side of me feels bad for the people who will now get sick with this virus. I wish we had better dialogue for opening up responsibly.
the political side of me gets excited. A second wave of this has already killed thousands will only hurt trump. Recklessly “opening up” without sufficient testing and tracing and mandatory masks will only lead to more infections, more death, and greater economic loss.
So whatever. Science and facts still matter. I have a feeling Trumpers will be sadly reminded of this whether they want it or not, in the coming weeks. Pandemics don’t end because you become bored.
the political side of me gets excited. A second wave of this has already killed thousands will only hurt trump. Recklessly “opening up” without sufficient testing and tracing and mandatory masks will only lead to more infections, more death, and greater economic loss.
So whatever. Science and facts still matter. I have a feeling Trumpers will be sadly reminded of this whether they want it or not, in the coming weeks. Pandemics don’t end because you become bored.
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candrew
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The cops in NJ have handled these protests intelligently. In order to avoid a "media moment" they let people have their little public bitch fests and then they show up at their houses the next day with a summons - my guess is there were cops copying down license plates in the strip mall all morning.
The insinuation in the tweet that the cops were on the protesters side is of course idiotic - you really think they want to deal with **** like this all day risking exposure from these narcissistic a-holes?
Having said that you can't kill the gym owner. Something has to give. You keep hearing the term "threading the needle" from infectious disease specialists when it comes to opening back up society and dealing with the virus - states needs to start figuring this out in a thoughtful way. With little to zero federal help, the bottom third of this country has already been decimated financially and it's working its way upward.
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yes. I Consider trump to be an existential threat. He’s making it easier for us to defeat him by inciting riots to irresponsibly “open up.”
Would I prefer less death and destruction? Absolutely.
But whatever. at some point the drooling zombies without masks yellin to “open mah gym up” will receive the consequences they’ve earned. A president without a clear plan and who's inciting riots deserves his political reward.
I’m old enough to remember when conservatives believed in personal accountability. What a concept! I’m a big believer that voters and leaders should be held accountable for their wise and dumb decisions. It’s what forces democracy to remain a functioning and responsive system of government.
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Wait what?
anyone else catch this? I can’t be the only one who thinks this is insane, right?
anyone else catch this? I can’t be the only one who thinks this is insane, right?