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RandyForRubio said:
For the presidential you can. Not so for other elections.

Also varies based on the State.
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Actually you can't vote in the Republican presidential primaries without being a republican. You can vote in the Democratic presidential primaries without being a Democrat though.

Which of those two scenarios seems more inclusive to you?

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Wait how is this even an argument?

just yesterday the Republican president made an anti-Semitic slur at the Ford Motor plant and we’re debating whether the GOP is inclusive or not? Seriously guys?

the GOP shows us daily how non-inclusive it is. It passes legislation that largely benefits rich white males. It daily fans the flames of xenophobia against Latinos and Asians. It daily works to suppress voters from diverse urban areas.

Like even if you knew nothing of Barr Goldwater, Nixon’s southern strategy, Willie Horton, Pat Buchannon, or even Donald Trump. All you need to do is spend a few minutes watching Fox News and you’d see how “inclusive” the party is.
 
fishonjazz said:
How about people are are independent.
I would want to vote in all primaries because I would like to have a say in who the president is. Why is that a problem?

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As an independent, you will get your chance in the general. Letting anyone vote however you want in a primary allows both parties to stack the deck in regard to their specific state especially in cases where the mix of D vs. R. are hugely non-proportional. It's almost a bit like gerrymandering in a way. If I was a registered Democrat, I wouldn't want a largely Republican base in Alabama picking a Democratic candidate at 2% in the polls and is a convicted rapist. Same goes if I was a Republican in Vermont and Democrats cross over in an incumbent election and pick someone who wants to bring back the KKK.

Are those extreme examples? Absolutely, but each party should be able to bring their best candidate forward without the fear of shenanigans.
 
fishonjazz said:
Actually you can't vote in the Republican presidential primaries without being a republican. You can vote in the Democratic presidential primaries without being a Democrat though.

Which of those two scenarios seems more inclusive to you?

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Right. In Utah, only the Democrat primary is open. Many other states have it open for both parties primaries. It's a state issue.

Did you vote for Romney in the primary or the general election? As far as I can see, only a couple states have open primaries for all elections, and Utah isn't one of them.
 
Obama is from Kenya
MAGA
Build the wall
Very fine people
**** hole countries
Why don’t we get immigrants from Norway
Kids in cages
Rat infested Baltimore
China virus
America is changing, and not for the best
Ford has good bloodlines

So inclusive!
 
Avery said:
As an independent, you will get your chance in the general. Letting anyone vote however you want in a primary allows both parties to stack the deck in regard to their specific state especially in cases where the mix of D vs. R.
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But by the time the general comes it's already too late. At that point we are stuck with Hillary and trump.

Regarding your next sentence, the Democratic party let's anyone vote in their primary already. Did the deck get stacked and that's why we got Biden as the presidential candidate?

If they only let registered democrats vote in the primary then do you think someone else would be the candidate?

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The Thriller said:
MAGA
Build the wall
Very fine people
**** hole countries
Why don’t we get immigrants from Norway
Kids in cages
Rat infested Baltimore
China virus
Ford has good bloodlines

So inclusive!
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What's very interesting to me, is that you're completely silent on the Biden thing, yet we all know if Trump had said it, you would've rushed over to post it.

You trying to act as if you're a fair, and balanced poster is hilarious.
 
fishonjazz said:
But by the time the general comes it's already too late. At that point we are stuck with Hillary and trump.

Regarding your next sentence, the Democratic party let's anyone vote in their primary already. Did the deck get stacked and that's why we got Biden as the presidential candidate?

If they only let registered democrats vote in the primary then do you think someone else would be the candidate.

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I have told you multiple times now that isn't true.

Do a little bit of research, Fish.
 
RandyForRubio said:
Right. In Utah, only the Democrat primary is open. Many other states have it open for both parties primaries. It's a state issue.

Did you vote for Romney in the primary or the general election? As far as I can see, only a couple states have open primaries for all elections, and Utah isn't one of them.
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I voted for Romney in some packet that was mailed to me. It had all kinds of things to vote for.

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The Thriller said:
Wait how is this even an argument?

just yesterday the Republican president made an anti-Semitic slur at the Ford Motor plant and we’re debating whether the GOP is inclusive or not? Seriously guys?

the GOP shows us daily how non-inclusive it is. It passes legislation that largely benefits rich white males. It daily fans the flames of xenophobia against Latinos and Asians. It daily works to suppress voters from diverse urban areas.

Like even if you knew nothing of Barr Goldwater, Nixon’s southern strategy, Willie Horton, Pat Buchannon, or even Donald Trump. All you need to do is spend a few minutes watching Fox News and you’d see how “inclusive” the party is.
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Nobody here is arguing the merits of whether or not the Republican Party is inclusive. What’s being argued is if lack of open primaries is a valid criterion for being inclusive.
 
RandyForRubio said:
I have told you multiple times now that isn't true.

Do a little bit of research, Fish.
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I have told you that I did it though. How did I do it without being a Democrat? Why can't i do the exact same thing in the Republican presidential primary? Will you please answer that specific question?

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infection said:
Nobody here is arguing the merits of whether or not the Republican Party is inclusive. What’s being argued is if lack of open primaries is a valid criterion for being inclusive.
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I would think a party would want to be as inclusive as possible and encourage as much participation in the primary process as possible. I think the fear of independents “hijacking” the Republican primary is pretty silly. Especially in Utah.

As far as arguing inclusivity as a party’s platform, it was a few posters back. There were a few posters who seemed to arguing whether the GOP’s platform and attitude was inclusive. It certainly is not. Piebrus’s 2012 autopsy told republicans this. An autopsy Report that was obviously ignored.
 
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