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Tough Day To Be In Law Enforcement

You guys remember that one time @Thriller said there's only been a few cases of looting so far?

Pepperidge Farms remembers.


I just saw a video of looting in Brussels. I'm not ever going to be convinced that looters are doing it in the name of George Floyd to promote change amongst racists and the police. You know why? They're not.

Here's Floyd's public viewing being streamed live on YouTube.

 
*shrug, share the wealth and people won't need to steal to live. Legalize MJ (and stop driving all substances into black markets) and tax it, as someone above said. You do those two things, and the number of situations that cops actually need a sidearm for drops to single digit percentages.

I'm not hot on Soviet or China-style communism, but a basic income and universal health care should be the bare minimum corporations pay to this country in exchange for the right to make the kind of money that they make. Rent and food resolves homelessness for the majority of the 3 million people experiencing homelessness in this country, and criminal behavior looses its appeal for most criminals because it is no longer about survival.

Cops can keep a shotgun in the trunk for the rare occasions that they actually do need one. But sidearms for domestic visits and traffic stops are literally overkill.
 
Then get the guns out of the hands of the people. Or if it can't be done overnight, start now so it happens 30 years from now.

Since WWII came to its close, and the UN was rolled out to keep the peace, it has been the quite openly stated design that the ordinary people should not have guns, and that nations would more or less reduce arms as well, until only by agreement with the ruling lights of the UN should any nation have any arms, and all that with the unstated but obvious intention that the UN would have all the guns that mattered, and there could be no means to change that government.

The UN is a world model of Fascism. It is not going to allow or permit any kind of Utopian world where there are no borders or no police. Might not call them "borders" but certainly there will be administrative subdivisions and law enforcement no end, for the convenience of management. The government will have all the guns deemed useful for the purpose of suppression of the common man, for the ease and benefit of the few people who really do matter.

The only reason there is any liberty in this world rests in the people's access to the means or power to keep it.

Liberty, the various rights to act, speak, believe and associate which are innate to the human spirit, to the human intelligence... quite distinct from most other species, and generally unmatched....is actually the only sound set of principles by which any kind of peace or prosperity can be achieved, and limiting or constraining the arrogance of power most often associated with governments is perhaps the highest possible use of human intelligence or art. Governments should only exist at the pleasure and benefit of the governed. Period.

We are not cattle, nor sheep, for the slaughter so a few bigots can dine in splendor. Governments are good only so far as they serve some realistic and general need recognized by the people who create governments, fight and die for governments, and pay in any way for the support of governments.

The idle speculation that if people don't have guns there will be no killing or whatever defies all sound judgment. Now, maybe if our governments had no guns it would almost work out for the better. But the reason we wish governments to have guns is that without them, we would be defenseless and over run as a matter of course. And one of the reasons people should have their own guns is to assist in that need, as well as whatever immediate needs we can be respected in meeting. Lawful uses which do not offend others in their rights.

The British have long mastered the arts of management, and may well be regarded even today as disproportionately influential...... and heavily involved in population reductions around the world whether via wars or plagues or poverty or pandemics. America is just the little servant boy put out to take the blame. yah we won a war or two, but we're fools for being charmed outta our good sense by the Brits, and fighting for them better than they can fight for themselves. Now, the order of the day is population reduction, thinning the herd, eliminating annoyances one way or another. Marxism was never anything more than an artful ruse for misdirecting the human hopes and dreams away from actual liberty. It was a necessary ploy, no doubt, to keep the American exceptionalism from spreading around the world, and ultimately forcing British gentry to hitch their own donkeys to their plows and work like men must.

Having elites in this world is a luxury the common folk can not really afford. You thinking you will just smile and talk us out of our guns is insane. Well, we've fallen for it long enough, and pretty much it's gonna be a new day because the schtick is just old and stale.

guns sales are through the roof. Riots won't slow that down.
 
*shrug, share the wealth and people won't need to steal to live. Legalize MJ (and stop driving all substances into black markets) and tax it, as someone above said. You do those two things, and the number of situations that cops actually need a sidearm for drops to single digit percentages.

I'm not hot on Soviet or China-style communism, but a basic income and universal health care should be the bare minimum corporations pay to this country in exchange for the right to make the kind of money that they make. Rent and food resolves homelessness for the majority of the 3 million people experiencing homelessness in this country, and criminal behavior looses its appeal for most criminals because it is no longer about survival.

Cops can keep a shotgun in the trunk for the rare occasions that they actually do need one. But sidearms for domestic visits and traffic stops are literally overkill.

Freakin' inanity.

Corporations don't pay anything. Consumers pay all the costs of production, all the freight, and all the lobbyists and campaign workers, and buy all the lunches . Basic income is a Corporate ideal for stabilizing demand, keeping sales up, paying the folks all around, and they will suck the cream off of it all and enjoy themselves in their secure gated, guarded(armed guards at that) pleasure pavilions.

China style communism is what we're getting. Our dreamers or schemers whatever have been bought and paid for by the Chinese. Freakin crazy the dems are making Russia the old archenemy while the Chinese are buying us out whole hog.

The only chance we have is our own personal guns. And I want the cops to be packing too. Most of them would defend us with their own lives.

The better way would be to haul the corrupt fascist big wigs into court and charge them for their crimes including scheming the overthrow of human rights. A helluva lot better than having to just shoot all their hapless, hopeless, innocent cannon fodder foot soldiers.

Wish we had the judges and prosecutors who would send them to jail.
 
We do have an cartel prison system, where private ownership of prisons and lush paybacks to politicians are a scandal. None less than Hillary, and Biden, worked so hard to establish our Prison Planet system, and profited from it. It does systematically suck in a disproportionate number of blacks and minorities. We have politicians who have bragged about "Stop and Frisk" policies used mainly against minorities "in the hood". What it amounts to is the same politicians who support the cartel prison planet system are the first to incite riot or stand down enforcement as a tactic for destroying what system we had, and it's a cinch the "new" program they bring in will allow even more corruption, and even more exploitation of the poor of every color.

Unfortunately this is completely correct. Practically all the prison reform measures that Biden claims to support on his website derive from draconian federal crime bills that he supported and in some cases co-authored in the 80's and 90's. Just another brick in the ****-house that is the 2020 Presidential Election.
 
The only chance we have is our own personal guns.

Not much of a chance, then. When the government turns on you, you won't stand a chance.

And I want the cops to be packing too. Most of them would defend us with their own lives.

Well, now you are just talking about people who have beige skin. If those are the only people you are interested in protecting, then you aren't interested in America.

Cops and feds in this country are trained by guys like Dave Grossman. They will die for each other, but not for most people.

 
Corporations don't pay anything.

They should pay for everything. They take the biggest cut of the pie.

They aren't going to survive the Google Age without transitioning into 100% tyranny. And many of those cops that you want to keep armed won't survive, either.

When the information was slower, the myth was easier to sustain. No longer the case.
 
Then get the guns out of the hands of the people. Or if it can't be done overnight, start now so it happens 30 years from now.

So you want to amend the Constitution, limit personal freedoms, give more power to a government that is already failing us, all to stop unjustified police shootings? Let's keep in mind that about 25-50 (depending on what data you read, which is out of about 1,000 total police related deaths) unarmed people are killed by the police every year.

To contract, about 100 people die every day in car accidents. What personal freedoms can we take away to limit unnecessary car deaths?
 
What personal freedoms can we take away to limit unnecessary car deaths?

One of them is having to hold a license. And be 16. And in some cases be under a certain age. There's also a medical part of it. All kinds of freedoms are already taken away so you don't have my epileptic friend killing us or herself when she has a seizure whilst driving.

I mean, the US is well on its way to being a failed state, but hey, let's not make any radical changes.
 
It's astonishing how many people we incarcerate in this country.

Incarcerated citizens as of 2020:

United States - 2,193,798
China - 1,548,498
India - 332,112
Germany - 77,166

Food for thought. China and Indian have a combined population of about 2.8 billion. We have more incarcerated people than those two countries, combined. So the United States, which is roughly 12% the size of those two countries combined, has more people in prison.

Germany has roughly 25% of the population the US does, yet it only has 77K people incarcerated? France has similar figures.

I'm having a hard time coming to terms with these numbers.

This truly is eye-opening. Thanks for posting it.

Clearly, things need to change.
 
If we, as a society, are asking police officers to respond to potentially dangerous situations, where someone may have a gun, I don't think we can ask them to do that without being equipped with a firearm. Just my opinion.

Back to the original post which started this thread - the shooting of police officers in my hometown. A pair of officers responded to a domestic violence call from a woman. A man answers the door and is combative. He shuts the door, goes inside, cracks open the door and shoots the nearest officer in the head. Other law enforcement officers (the ones from my office) were close by and responded to the call, helping to retrieve the body of the fallen officer and kill the suspect, even though they sustained injuries.

So here's the question - if the officers that responded to the call were not armed, would the suspect have been as combative? Was he afraid for his life? Is that why he got out the gun (a semi-auto)? OR would all of the officers who responded have been mowed down because they didn't have weapons? Honestly, it's tough to say. The fact that other countries manage better says that perhaps armed officers inherently escalate situations just because they have guns. But I have no idea. You'd think someone would have figured that out, though.
 
One of them is having to hold a license. And be 16. And in some cases be under a certain age. There's also a medical part of it. All kinds of freedoms are already taken away so you don't have my epileptic friend killing us or herself when she has a seizure whilst driving.

Yes, and we already have similar safeguards related to firearms. Background checks, age limits, etc.
 
This truly is eye-opening. Thanks for posting it.
Clearly, things need to change.

Regardless of someone's political position, I would hope we all can agree that on a macro scale, we need to SIGNIFICANTLY reduce the number of people in prison.

I used to watch a reality TV show about police officers in rural Canada (Can't recall the name, but the Canadian version of "COPS"). One thing that stood out to me was how often Canadian police officers would get in a scuffle with some drunk guy at a bar, and the only consequence the drunk guy would face is either being returned to his home with a fine or having to spend a single night in the drunk tank. In the US, if you attempt to hit an officer, you are going to prison for a long time and you'll have a felony on your record. Think about the difference between the two approaches. For one guy, his night was ruined and he might have to pay a small fine. For the other guy, his life is virtually ruined. He's going to lose his job, not be able to see or care for his family, and generally be looked down upon by our society. In addition, when he is released from prison, he's going to face major challenges getting new employment, anger at the system, which can lead to additional crime................
 
Regardless of someone's political position, I would hope we all can agree that on a macro scale, we need to SIGNIFICANTLY reduce the number of people in prison.

I used to watch a reality TV show about police officers in rural Canada (Can't recall the name, but the Canadian version of "COPS"). One thing that stood out to me was how often Canadian police officers would get in a scuffle with some drunk guy at a bar, and the only consequence the drunk guy would face is either being returned to his home with a fine or having to spend a single night in the drunk tank. In the US, if you attempt to hit an officer, you are going to prison for a long time and you'll have a felony on your record. Think about the difference between the two approaches. For one guy, his night was ruined and he might have to pay a small fine. For the other guy, his life is virtually ruined. He's going to lose his job, not be able to see or care for his family, and generally be looked down upon by our society. In addition, when he is released from prison, he's going to face major challenges getting new employment, anger at the system, which can lead to additional crime................

Great post.
 
Exactly. Grow your own if you want just like you can roll your own cigs or make your own brews. You want to sell it to somebody of legal age, you can just like tobacco or alcohol. Just pay the taxes like you normally should and if you sell to someone underage or don't pay taxes, we already have laws for that. No jail, just fine your ***.

Ask Colorado how much their school districts receive off the taxation of marijuana yet Denver somehow isn't a cesspool - imagine that.
Yeah, we can also actually help people that are addicted instead of treating them like criminals. Heroine is an awful drug but countries that decriminalize it can actually help people and it greatly reduces users of it.
 
Regardless of someone's political position, I

I confess I am ill informed on this topic but I don't understand why so many politicians are silent or gaurded on the subject of police reforms. They dance all over themselves to show support for protestors without ever saying anything about the police or police practices. Do the police have that much politcal power?

I rewatched the Rodney King video today, it had been years. That was supposed to be a turning point, a generation's wake up. It wasn't. If the politicans agree with us why don't they just make police reforms?
 
Regardless of someone's political position, I would hope we all can agree that on a macro scale, we need to SIGNIFICANTLY reduce the number of people in prison.

I used to watch a reality TV show about police officers in rural Canada (Can't recall the name, but the Canadian version of "COPS"). One thing that stood out to me was how often Canadian police officers would get in a scuffle with some drunk guy at a bar, and the only consequence the drunk guy would face is either being returned to his home with a fine or having to spend a single night in the drunk tank. In the US, if you attempt to hit an officer, you are going to prison for a long time and you'll have a felony on your record. Think about the difference between the two approaches. For one guy, his night was ruined and he might have to pay a small fine. For the other guy, his life is virtually ruined. He's going to lose his job, not be able to see or care for his family, and generally be looked down upon by our society. In addition, when he is released from prison, he's going to face major challenges getting new employment, anger at the system, which can lead to additional crime................

I hit a Canadian police officer once. After he got up off the ground he apologized for hurting my hand.
 
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