Tough Day To Be In Law Enforcement

[Red]

Why did they burn down the Wendy's?

I'm just reading about all of this. Crazy.

Well, you’d have to ask the people who set it afire. News reports indicated people were urging them not to attack that Wendy’s. A CNN crew was harassed, one of their cameras destroyed, when the establishment was being attacked, but before the fire started. I believe there are people who positively revel at the chance to experience the excitement of such wanton destruction. As well as people who are genuinely enraged at events, and justifiably so, that, in the moment, also give into that rage, and act this way. I saw all this, and remember things like this in the 1968 race riots. And other such events, though not violent and destructive to this extent, during anti-Vietnam War protests. There are people who revel in this. They are usually young. It is not a pretty look at a certain side of human nature.

It was not the fault of that Wendy’s franchise that the man was killed. It was a miserable thing to do to that establishment. And there are those who will do it in a heartbeat, without a second thought. They live for the chance to act this way. That does not negate or relegate to meaninglessness the peaceful protests, and those who would never act this way. But it will continue to happen every single time events that triggered last night occur.

 

[Archie Moses]

The wendy's is where the dude got killed I believe

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I still don't get it. What does that do though?

 

[Red]

I still don't get it. What does that do though?

Are you expecting a rational explanation? Because I don’t think there is always a rational explanation available.

 

[LogGrad98]

To note, once a Taser has been fired like that it's not really armed any more, there was certainly no immediate threat of him using it on anyone else.

So right up until the point he fired it they can use some level of force to stop him. After he fired it - which is obvious how exactly at night in a chaotic situation with cops chasing the guy down and yelling at him the whole time? - anyway right up to that point they can use some level of force, but right at the second he fires it, then, THEN, they are expected to immediately be completely calm, start using calming words, hope to hell he doesn't somehow have another weapon, which they likely never got to ascertain before he broke loose, anyway use nice calming language, and then if they can't calm him down, what, just let him go? After all they have his car. Somehow they have perfect knowledge that this guy doesn't have another weapon, or at just let's just hope he doesn't, and after he showed perfect willingness to fire a weapon in public, won't use it if he does, and of course as long as he fired the taser there is no way he is a threat anymore. Hell why even worry about him at all anymore? Just let him run home, tow his car, and go on to the next one.

Man people are so so so naive when it comes to the nuance and threats in these situations. We know so much more than they do, sitting behind our keyboards, looking for our next source of outrage.

So what's next? Hey he fired all 6 rounds in that revolver, he didn't hit anyone that we immediately know of, time to back off and let him go. He can't be a threat anymore. Oh wait, it wasn't a revolver? It was a semi auto with a 15 round clip? Oops, my bad, but hey we de-escalated. It's not our fault he shot 3 bystanders that startled him, we were singing "I love you... You love me..." It's not like we could have done anything about it. We were just SURE his gun was empty. It's so easy to keep track of where all the gun shots are coming from and how many were fired while running after someone through traffic at night. I mean, duh.

I'll say it again, I think all of this will get way worse before it begins getting better. I sure hope the rioting community will begin to police itself when the police stop.

 

[LogGrad98]

Yes, I am aware of that, the reason I said they are usually not fatal, and did not say they are never fatal. Just wanted to clarify that point. It also did look like he discharged the taser once, before continuing to run away....

Edit: as someone pointed out last night, once the individual discharged that taser, the cop must have understood, though easily forgettable in the moment, that that taser could not be fired again, without being reloaded. The cops also had the individual’s car, which would allow them to know where he lived, unless the car was stolen, as far as I know not the case.

I do understand the remainder of your points, but think the individual did not have to be shot. I don’t see any reason to presume that individual was then going to go on a taser spree against innocent people at that point. He could not reload that taser on the run, and they knew he was not otherwise armed. They could have simply continued the chase. Of course, I was not there, in the moment, so it will always be easier for me to say that in hindsight. That said, that man did not have to be killed. One of the commentators last night, ex police commissioner of NY I think, explained the 3 conditions that must be met to justify lethal force, and he was of the opinion those conditions did not apply, based on the 2 videos he had seen. Sorry, off the top, I can’t recall those 3 conditions.

You realize the police are literally under fire from every single angle right now, everywhere. They are dropping from their jobs, afraid for their safety, and unsure of what to expect in any situation they can imagine. If course that cop said that. You think he wants to risk a riot in his town, or his job, if he didn't?

Sorry red, normally I think you are pretty well-reasoned. I think you are not thinking through the nuance and wide-reaching ramifications here very clearly.

And that raises the other question, at what point do they "assume" the threat is over? And do we just allow people to literally assault the police and then...go home? Not far from a descent into chaos once we start doing that imo.

You know one statistic we don't have? How many situations like that one would have ended in that person killing or harming an incident because the cop was acting on his best information in a very difficult situation and trying to contain the situation according to his training and the assailant sadly was killed. Do you want to start compiling that statistic when we start letting people in those situations just walk away?

 

[Eminence]

From what I saw one cop fired his taser and the taser the victim had was one he grabbed from a different cop that had not been fired.

Either way, I personally think this one was more justified than most.

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Oh, he 100% fired it at the cop, I was saying he wouldn't be able to use it again on a civilian in the immediate like Log had implied.

 

[Eminence]

So right up until the point he fired it they can use some level of force to stop him. After he fired it - which is obvious how exactly at night in a chaotic situation with cops chasing the guy down and yelling at him the whole time? - anyway right up to that point they can use some level of force, but right at the second he fires it, then, THEN, they are expected to immediately be completely calm, start using calming words, hope to hell he doesn't somehow have another weapon, which they likely never got to ascertain before he broke loose, anyway use nice calming language, and then if they can't calm him down, what, just let him go? After all they have his car. Somehow they have perfect knowledge that this guy doesn't have another weapon, or at just let's just hope he doesn't, and after he showed perfect willingness to fire a weapon in public, won't use it if he does, and of course as long as he fired the taser there is no way he is a threat anymore. Hell why even worry about him at all anymore? Just let him run home, tow his car, and go on to the next one.

Man people are so so so naive when it comes to the nuance and threats in these situations. We know so much more than they do, sitting behind our keyboards, looking for our next source of outrage.

So what's next? Hey he fired all 6 rounds in that revolver, he didn't hit anyone that we immediately know of, time to back off and let him go. He can't be a threat anymore. Oh wait, it wasn't a revolver? It was a semi auto with a 15 round clip? Oops, my bad, but hey we de-escalated. It's not our fault he shot 3 bystanders that startled him, we were singing "I love you... You love me..." It's not like we could have done anything about it. We were just SURE his gun was empty. It's so easy to keep track of where all the gun shots are coming from and how many were fired while running after someone through traffic at night. I mean, duh.

I'll say it again, I think all of this will get way worse before it begins getting better. I sure hope the rioting community will begin to police itself when the police stop.

Not sure what you're up to this morning Log, but the over the top slippery slope stuff is just annoying..

 

[fishonjazz]

I still don't get it. What does that do though?

I thought you were asking why the wendy's rather than why the fire.

As for why the fire, sometimes ****ing **** up makes you feel better. Gets your anger out

I have always enjoyed punching things when I'm angry. Always feel better after.

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[fishonjazz]

Not sure what you're up to this morning Log, but the over the top slippery slope stuff is just annoying..

I have enjoyed and mostly agreed with his posts today.


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[Archie Moses]

It was not the fault of that Wendy’s franchise that the man was killed. It was a miserable thing to do to that establishment. And there are those who will do it in a heartbeat, without a second thought. They live for the chance to act this way. That does not negate or relegate to meaninglessness the peaceful protests, and those who would never act this way. But it will continue to happen every single time events that triggered last night occur.

People like Killer Mike (rapper, song writer, actor and activist) are pretty much blaming and shaming the Wendy's worker. https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/killer-mike-speaks-on-the-death-of-rayshard-brooks-news.112466.html

The media and everyone keep blaming and pointing fingers at everyone besides Brooks. I don't even think we have all the info yet so who really knows what happened for the police to get there, but clearly Brooks made a lot of poor decisions and it's being sensationalized as another racist provoked police killing.

There's another thing going on in CA in California where a young man was found dead hanging by his neck. The police say it appeared to be a suicide and are investigating, but that pissed a lot of people off. Other people quickly speculated he was murdered (I hate the word lynch btw because of its ugly history.) I, 100%, think it needs to be investigated. But isn't it common for the police to say it appears to be a suicide although it's under investigation?

 

[Archie Moses]

I have enjoyed and mostly agreed with his posts today.


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Yeah, I don't get that. Log knows it's a slippery slope and is aware of what's going on. Is that offensive? Not at all.

People, nowadays, think opinions can only be in alignment with their opinions or it's wrong and shameful.

If you get a chance, watch that Andrew Schultz video I posted about the Confederate Flag. Dude nails exactly how I see things. Maybe it's just me, but I find him refreshing and hilarious.

 

[fishonjazz]

I thought you were asking why the wendy's rather than why the fire.

As for why the fire, sometimes ****ing **** up makes you feel better. Gets your anger out

I have always enjoyed punching things when I'm angry. Always feel better after.

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To add to this, I'm not a psychiatrist and don't understand the psychology behind it but many humans like to destroy and to kill. Maybe it makes us feel powerful? I'm sure many posters on this site spend lots of time and money on hunting. They enjoy the act of going out and destroying the lives of animals. It's fun for them. They enjoy taking their guns out and shooting crap. (I'm not judging btw) Some people like MMA. Football is very violent. When I'm camping I don't like a little campfire, I want it to be big as ****. Doesn't need to be but I like to watch stuff burn. I'm sure there are some in the military that train for war and want to use the skills they have learned to kill people.
When I played video games, the more violent the better. I like violent movies, books, and video games.
We destroy our planet. We like destruction.

Humans mostly suck

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