Coronavirus

[candrew]

We can't contain or stop this. The cats out of the bag. We had a chance in March. We don't have the ability to stop this now. Strap in and enjoy the ride... let the people with underlying conditions know you love them.

See you in 2022.

Strap in and enjoy the ride? Dude, we're the laughing stock of the ****ing world right now. Countries that we've collectively thumbed our noses at for decades have run rings around us in terms of handling this.

This has been an absolute humiliation at almost every single level.

 

[Red]

We can't contain or stop this. The cats out of the bag. We had a chance in March. We don't have the ability to stop this now. Strap in and enjoy the ride... let the people with underlying conditions know you love them.

As life long loners, my wife and I have no problem avoiding people. Most days. But we need our state to keep mandatory face masks in place. One infectious disease specialist said yesterday that masks will be needed for years. Other specialists are saying the virus, here in the states, has mutated to a form that spreads easier, but is not as fatal. Average age in states experiencing surges seems to be people in their 30’s now. It will be tough to survive this I imagine, because I do believe you are right, it’s too late to stop what is presently unfolding. I am very disciplined, and will take every precaution to survive. My final words will not be to curse Trump. I won’t let him have that power over me.

 

[Red]

Not hard to recognize that this is the strategy Trump has settle on....

The White House is reportedly hoping Americans 'will grow numb' to the COVID-19 death toll

The latest Speed Read,/speed-reads,,speed-reads, breaking news, comment, reviews and features from the experts at The Week

theweek.com

 

[Miggs]

Honestly it's gonna end okay.

Are people gonna get COVID-19? Yes. Are school aged kids going to die? No. Will many of them infect the people they live with, including elderly grandparents or people with underlying conditions? Yes, but people at high risk should be making plans now to eliminate contact with people who will be exposed in school, work, social interactions.

So yeah, it's gonna be kinda bad. Infectious diseases sure do suck, and they sure do kill people.

Have we ever responded to an infectious disease the way we have to COVID-19 in the last 100 years? Nope. We've let people die. Just like we let people die on our highways. Just like we let people die from cigarettes, or opioids.

I'm all for reasonable precautions. I'm all for personal responsibility.

Make masks mandatory. Make social distancing guidelines legally enforceable.

We can't contain or stop this. The cats out of the bag. We had a chance in March. We don't have the ability to stop this now. Strap in and enjoy the ride... let the people with underlying conditions know you love them.

See you in 2022.

This is a complete swing and a miss, GF. Little kids have died from this. Let’s say they don’t though but there is still poor direction from leaders in government and school districts on wearing masks, social distancing and the like as Thriller has mentioned. If that happens, then the outcome is obvious. A lot more kids are gonna get it and even if they don’t die as you’ve poorly assumed since some kids have died from this, they’ll still spread it to educators and other adults in their life who certainly will die from this.

We are filling out a survey right now for my rising first grader’s school. In it they ask about options. The two options are:

1. Masks all day for all students but because all students are present, no social distancing
2. Split schedules with less students in the class (1/3 or 1/2 the amount) but masks aren’t mandatory.

I certainly don’t want number one. Masks or not, it appears that many people in one confined spot has netted really bad results. And it’s not as if kids aren’t gonna take their masks off during lunch or because they’ll forget here and there because they’re little kids. My bigger problem is with number two though. I do believe we should have a split schedule of sorts. 1/3 or so remote for parents who want that, 1/3 on an A day, 1/3 on a B day. Instead of having 24 kids in a class, there will be 8. However, those kids should still be wearing masks. Thinking 9-11 people per room is okay and that no germs can spread is ****ing dumb. Be smart. Step one is spreading kids out into thirds. Good. Don’t then let your guard down and say okay, now we don’t need to wear masks.

This is Thriller’s issue. Poor direction by those in charge. And it’s a legitimate one. My guess here in NJ is that we’ll either never see the classroom or that if we do, we’ll be remote by mid-October at the latest.

 

[candrew]

Not hard to recognize that this is the strategy Trump has settle on....

The White House is reportedly hoping Americans 'will grow numb' to the COVID-19 death toll

The latest Speed Read,/speed-reads,,speed-reads, breaking news, comment, reviews and features from the experts at The Week

theweek.com

Let's face it, he's right. 400 - 600 people dying a day is apparently an acceptable number to people.

 

[Avery]

Let's face it, he's right. 400 - 600 people dying a day is apparently an acceptable number to people.

To a % of the population, it is. The mantra of many of those is survival of the fittest, just don't make me change my plans. It's why you see swamped pool parties and political rallies with no enforced precautions.

But more people think Covid is an issue vs. those that don't and those people are pretty clear about how they'll vote in November.

 

[One Brow]

Are school aged kids going to die? No.

The correct answer is "several", and more that will have life-long complications.

Have we ever responded to an infectious disease the way we have to COVID-19 in the last 100 years? Nope. We've let people die. Just like we let people die on our highways. Just like we let people die from cigarettes, or opioids.

Which of those other diseases caused 125K+ deaths in five months?

All of the choices we are facing are terrible, but let's not underplay their consequences as a result.

 

[leftyjace]

New Development: The president of Brazil has tested positive for Coronavirus. Irony of ironies. Justice is served.

Brazil’s Jair Bolsonaro Tests Positive for Coronavirus

One of the most prominent world leaders to play down the severity of the coronavirus pandemic, the president of South America’s largest country had been ordered by a court to wear a mask.

www.wsj.com

 

[candrew]

To a % of the population, it is. The mantra of many of those is survival of the fittest, just don't make me change my plans. It's why you see swamped pool parties and political rallies with no enforced precautions.

But more people think Covid is an issue vs. those that don't and those people are pretty clear about how they'll vote in November.

Right - the vast majority of people are on board with masks and social distancing whenever possible. But at this point there isn't a overwhelming demand to do something radically different or go backwards and shut things down again for the sake of the several hundred people dying a day. It seems obvious we're going to slow burn this thing until a vaccine is developed.

 

[Red]

I was under the impression that this was already well known....

Coronavirus can float in air and WHO and CDC should tell people that, experts say

Coronavirus can be airborne and these 239 scientists want people to know about aerosol and droplet transmission of Covid-19.

www.cnn.com

It Is Time to Address Airborne Transmission of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

We appeal to the medical community and to the relevant national and international bodies to recognize the potential for airborne spread of coronavirus dise

academic.oup.com

Good short summary, and WHO’s response. It does sound like the aerosol spread may be the transmission mode that makes for superspreader events, and the reason why everyone wearing masks in any enclosed space is our best defense right now. Social distancing alone won’t work when microparticles can just float around and travel a hell of a lot further than 6 feet.

Aerosols, Droplets, Fomites: What We Know About Transmission Of COVID-19

A letter from over 200 scientists to the World Health Organization asks for further investigation into how the virus spreads. WHO responded at a press conference on Tuesday.

www.npr.org

This may also be educational on aerosols:

Transmission of COVID-19 virus by droplets and aerosols: A critical review on the unresolved dichotomy - PMC

The practice of social distancing and wearing masks has been popular worldwide in combating the contraction of COVID-19. Undeniably, although such practices help control the COVID-19 pandemic to a greater extent, the complete control of virus-laden ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Deleted member 365]

Good short summary, and WHO’s response. It does sound like the aerosol spread may be the transmission mode that makes for superspreader events, and the reason why everyone wearing masks in any enclosed space is our best defense right now. Social distancing alone won’t work when microparticles can just float around and travel a hell of a lot further than 6 feet.

Aerosols, Droplets, Fomites: What We Know About Transmission Of COVID-19

A letter from over 200 scientists to the World Health Organization asks for further investigation into how the virus spreads. WHO responded at a press conference on Tuesday.

www.npr.org

This may also be educational on aerosols:

Transmission of COVID-19 virus by droplets and aerosols: A critical review on the unresolved dichotomy - PMC

The practice of social distancing and wearing masks has been popular worldwide in combating the contraction of COVID-19. Undeniably, although such practices help control the COVID-19 pandemic to a greater extent, the complete control of virus-laden ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Which makes face to face school a complete and utter nightmare from hell. Literally every school day will be a super spreader event. The AC will infect teachers, admins, Etc students so quickly.

 

[Deleted member 365]

“bUt ThE dEaTh RaTeS!”

I’d encourage everyone to check out the deaths from today. Sounds like these last few weeks of younger people getting sick And overwhelming ICUs is finally beginning to manifest in deaths. We haven’t been this high since June 11. The next week should be interesting.