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Derek Chauvin Murder Trial

One Brow said:
I suppose some people think you should use more than .842 seconds before deciding to kill someone.


Except, he didn't raise his hands at them. He raised them up along his sides. Check the video again.


I'm sure the cop was afraid. Most of them seem to be.
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The police shouldn’t have the right to kill like this. The standard (or lack thereof) that we’re holding them to is absurd. It’s like we grant them an overwhelming right of clemency to kill. This shouldn’t be. Besides, they already have virtually no qualifications to be hired anyway. So our police departments are hiring some of the least qualified in society and giving them the most power of anyone in our society. What a ridiculous system!

Who is protected and served here? Certainly not the public.

Btw, the history of the south side of chicago (where Adam toledo lived) has a very interesting history:

www.theatlantic.com

Chicago’s Awful Divide

Americans are flocking to big cities to find good jobs—opportunities that remain disproportionately out of reach for the poorest residents already living there.
www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com
 
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One Brow said:
I suppose some people think you should use more than .842 seconds before deciding to kill someone.


Except, he didn't raise his hands at them. He raised them up along his sides. Check the video again.


I'm sure the cop was afraid. Most of them seem to be.
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1. Not sure what you mean here.

2. On video, yes. But do I condemn a cop for not knowing that while chasing someone armed up until the last .842 milliseconds? Parts of me wants to condemn him cause it's a sad story and parts of me understands raising a gun or hand while having a gun .842 milliseconds beforehand can be considered scary af. I'd love to say it wouldn't, but I'm a realist.

I'd be afraid if I were a cop too, but who cares about those who die on duty?

Just curious, does this make me alt right?

I'm glad you brought up .o42 seconds though. I don't think you're capable of putting yourself in the shoes of someone in the line of duty, chasing someone with a gun.
 
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Archie Moses said:
1. Not sure what you mean here.

2. On video, yes. But do I condemn a cop for not knowing that while chasing someone armed up until the last .842 milliseconds? Parts of me wants to condemn him cause it's a sad story and parts of me understands raising a gun or hand while having a gun .842 milliseconds beforehand can be considered scary af. I'd love to say it wouldn't, but I'm a realist.

I'd be afraid if I were a cop too, but who cares about those who die on duty?

Just curious, does this make me alt right?

I'm glad you brought up .o42 seconds though. I don't think you're capable of putting yourself in the shoes of someone in the line of duty, chasing someone with a gun.
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There is nothing that says the officer knew he was armed. You can easily see how dark that alley is during the chase. You think the officer was making calm observations of small glimpses while running?

I've said multiple times now that you're not alt-right, but are comfortable with many of their takes on life.
 
The media has reported extensively on Floyd's past to justify his killing, but what about Chauvin's past? Seems to me like his past is at least as relevant as Floyd's. Derek Chauvin served for 19 years and had 18 complaints and 16 of which were closed w/o any discipline (which we all know means they swept under the rug by the union). Not only was he still on the force, he was TRAINING when he killed George Floyd. Even with all of the video evidence, we're mostly all shocked that he was actually found guilty. If there hadn't been any video evidence, does anyone think he would have even been brought to trial?

How many others did Chauvin abuse in his 19 year career that we don't know of?

Chauvin isn't a good dude. He exemplifies the problem in our system. 18 complaints in 19 years and was a trainer. Is this really the best we can do?

www.businessinsider.com.au

18 complaints in 19 years, and a murder charge: What we know about ex-Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin

Both George Floyd and Derek Chauvin lived in Minnesota’s Twin Cities and even worked at the same nightclub before Chauvin knelt on Floyd’s neck during an arrest on May 25, killing him. But their lives were worlds apart. Chauvin lived in a predominantly white St. Paul suburb and racked up […]
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Red said:
God forbid that Tucker Carlson admit the jurors might have actually based their decision on the merits of the case presented by the prosecution.....

www.businessinsider.com

Tucker Carlson's reaction to Derek Chauvin's conviction was to cast doubt on the jurors who decided he murdered George Floyd

After Derek Chauvin was found guilty of murder, Tucker Carlson said the jury was motivated by fear of further protests if they acquitted.
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I'm shocked I tell you shocked that Tucker Carlson is disappointed in the verdict. Who could have foreseen him defending the white cop who killed a black man? It's almost like he's a white supremacist!

And his laugh? Sounds like the Joker at :15. He laughs like the Joker before cancelling someone he disagreed with. I thought the right hated cancel culture?

 
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Red said:
Not when one considers the first statement officials released regarding Floyd’s death:

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Excellent point.

Gee, looks like the police omitted a few pretty obvious details.

Think about that for a few mins. I wish those police defenders on here would respond to this. How is the public supposed to trust in the police when they do ******** like this? Clearly, they were lying. Clearly, they were trying to sweep this under the rug. Clearly, if there hadn't been a video, Chauvin would still be a free man training on the force.

I have a sinking feeling that police abuse, harass, and murder a lot more people than we're being told and they're getting away with it because there isn't video evidence and their departments lie about it.
 
The Thriller said:
The media has reported extensively on Floyd's past to justify his killing, but what about Chauvin's past? Seems to me like his past is at least as relevant as Floyd's. Derek Chauvin served for 19 years and had 18 complaints and 16 of which were closed w/o any discipline (which we all know means they swept under the rug by the union). Not only was he still on the force, he was TRAINING when he killed George Floyd. Even with all of the video evidence, we're mostly all shocked that he was actually found guilty. If there hadn't been any video evidence, does anyone think he would have even been brought to trial?

How many others did Chauvin abuse in his 19 year career that we don't know of?

Chauvin isn't a good dude. He exemplifies the problem in our system. 18 complaints in 19 years and was a trainer. Is this really the best we can do?

www.businessinsider.com.au

18 complaints in 19 years, and a murder charge: What we know about ex-Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin

Both George Floyd and Derek Chauvin lived in Minnesota’s Twin Cities and even worked at the same nightclub before Chauvin knelt on Floyd’s neck during an arrest on May 25, killing him. But their lives were worlds apart. Chauvin lived in a predominantly white St. Paul suburb and racked up […]
www.businessinsider.com.au www.businessinsider.com.au
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As for complaints I need more context. Like if chauvin pulled me over for speeding and I was in fact speeding and he gave me the appropriate ticket and told me to have a good day could I still call and complain about him simply cause I was pissed that I got a ticket I deserved?

Is 1 complaint per year way more or way less than is typical for a police officer?
I don't know what a normal amount of complaints would be.
When citizens deal with cops it's usually not for something fun and awesome so maybe even good cops get lots of complaints. Idk.

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I think the Columbus killing of the 16-year-old adds support to my contention that police need to use other than deadly force in situations. As was stated by the NAACP, why wasn't a taser used, why weren't other methods used to de-escalate the situation, how did the girl threaten the life of the police officer? This is another example of police shooting first and asking questions later, another example of policing done wrong and deadly.
 
The Thriller said:
I'm shocked I tell you shocked that Tucker Carlson is disappointed in the verdict. Who could have foreseen him defending the white cop who killed a black man? It's almost like he's a white supremacist!

And his laugh? Sounds like the Joker at :15. He laughs like the Joker before cancelling someone he disagreed with. I thought the right hated cancel culture?

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What a douche.
 
Beer said:
I believe she was actively trying to stab 2 people when she was shot. So yeah, a lot more to the situation.
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If I have a line this must be it. The cop quite possibly saved 2 girls lives. I get it, it's a ****** situation - she was just a kid. It sounds like she had a tough life and she clearly had issues.

But come on, she is trying to kill another human being. Does that person's life not matter?
 
fishonjazz said:
As for complaints I need more context. Like if chauvin pulled me over for speeding and I was in fact speeding and he gave me the appropriate ticket and told me to have a good day could I still call and complain about him simply cause I was pissed that I got a ticket I deserved?

Is 1 complaint per year way more or way less than is typical for a police officer?
I don't know what a normal amount of complaints would be.
When citizens deal with cops it's usually not for something fun and awesome so maybe even good cops get lots of complaints. Idk.

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Although I agree more context is necessary, the article I included provided an account from one of those who complained about Chauvin:

Melissa Borton, told the Los Angeles Times she filed one of the complaints in August 2007 that ended with a formal letter of reprimand against Chauvin.

Borton said Chauvin and another officer pulled her over as she was returning home from the grocery store with her infant. The officers approached her car, reached inside “without a word,” unlocked her door, pulled her out, and put her in the back of a police cruiser, she said.

She told the newspaper that Chauvin and the other officer released her roughly 15 minutes later without an explanation.

The reason for the traffic stop? Borton had been driving 10 miles over the speed limit. Records obtained by the Times said that Chauvin was later told that he “did not have to remove complainant from car.”
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That sounds pretty excessive. And had there been video evidence posted to social media of the incident, I wonder if there would have been a greater outrage? I’d like to know the content of the other complaints. But this seems pretty bad.

And:
The Minneapolis Police Department hasn’t released any details about the complaints or why they were closed.
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Of course. Gee, why be transparent when you can just tell the public to shut the **** up or else?

Again, the original PD statement is attached below. I think it's pretty safe to say that this PD has shown the willingness to omit important details to the public about the conduct of its officers:


If the PD want to restore trust in their officers, maybe they should release details about these complaints to the public? Again, this is part of the problem I have with our system. PDs aren't transparent and they merely serve to protect themselves. How is this protecting and serving anybody when they allow officers to harass, exploit, and kill and their department rushes to sweep things under the rug?

Can’t we do better? Raise standards? Increase transparency and accountability? Limit the power of the unions? Focus more on social work and less on incarceration?
 
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Eenie-Meenie said:
I think the Columbus killing of the 16-year-old adds support to my contention that police need to use other than deadly force in situations. As was stated by the NAACP, why wasn't a taser used, why weren't other methods used to de-escalate the situation, how did the girl threaten the life of the police officer? This is another example of police shooting first and asking questions later, another example of policing done wrong and deadly.
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She was like 6" away from someone trying to stab them. Do you just not understand at all how reality works?
 
candrew said:
If I have a line this must be it. The cop quite possibly saved 2 girls lives. I get it, it's a ****** situation - she was just a kid. It sounds like she had a tough life and she clearly had issues.

But come on, she is trying to kill another human being. Does that person's life not matter?
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Sure her life matters. But the other girls she was trying to stab take precedence over hers in that moment.
 
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