Game Thread Jun 16, 2021 08:00PM MT: Jazz vs. Clippers - Game 5

[Ineptimusprime]

Sigh.. almost like what I have been saying last night through this morning.

Woof if this crap doesn't motivate this team to at least go out swinging tomorrow, I don't know what will.

If we win, the Clippers curse is real. The only way it happens is through a complete bed-wetting by the Clips. Maybe they fold under the pressure of a packed house. It won't happen, but a guy can dream.

 

[fishonjazz]

Wait, was there actually an argument taking place about whether gobert is good at defense?



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[Elizah Huge]

Wait, was there actually an argument taking place about whether gobert is good at defense?

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No, everyone knows he’s great at defense. He can get schemed around and his impact on the game is severely affected.

Multiple times last game he got iso’d and scored on. He was in no man’s land and got threes made on him without a contest. Couldn’t fight through a pick and a three was made wide open. They were actively trying to get him on a switch to attack him.

In essence, this shouldn’t happen to someone we will be paying 41M, 43M and 45M to in the next couple years. You want to be paid like a superstar you need to play like one especially when you got paid specifically for your defense. That stuff that happened can’t happen. That’s it.

Oh and our defensive numbers have been terrible with Rudy on the floor the last three games since Lue figured out the defense and made adjustments. We are 0-3 in this span and giving up 71.4% at the rim and 40% from three.

 

[Release the Kraken]

He is not impactfull in playoffs because teams change their gameplan to take him out of the paint. What if we tried something different that would actually make him play to his strenghts in defense even with small ball lineup? Like defending zone for stretches? Quin refuses to adjust for playoffs, he has been playing the same D from pre-season when we should have tried something different. After 2 straight losses why not change tactics? Why not try different Lineups? or Even players..
Keep Quin for regular season and get anotehr coach for playoffs, he is just too stubborn and non creative.

Id have to agree that when it comes to playoff basketball Snyder is a mediocre coach. Gobert went 6-8 last night, as usual best on the team. For most of the night (41 minutes) his counterpart was Batun as Lu attacked us with his small ball lineup. So why the paucity of plays for Gobert - when the biggest guy they have out there is 6’9” where are the alley-oops? I mean if you’re not going to counter their move and instead insist on jacking up 50 threes to their 42, why not give your free agent stretch 5 (Ilyosova) a shot?

I agree that Snyder is all about compiling wins in the regular season to the detriment of team development. Instead of load management he runs guys into the ground till they can’t perform anymore (Conley, Mitchell). Our deep bench doesn’t even know what real game minutes look like. Aside from the experience on their bench like Rondo, cousins and Patterson compare what Terrance Mann gives them opposed to Oni. He plays with a swagger and self-assurance our young guys have not had the opportunity to learn on this team.

 

[The Thriller]

Rudy is great. But the problem is he is like 75 percent of our defense. It's like putting Dame on a team with defensive specialists who cant shoot like Shaq Harrison etc and judge him when he basically doesn't have any spacing at all and has to score 40 every game. Of course it would be easier to scheme against him than, double team him etc. However good one guy is you can always scheme against him.

Best post of the thread honestly.

 

[The Thriller]

Wait, was there actually an argument taking place about whether gobert is good at defense?



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Apparently some fans think he’s been “exposed” and in order for the jazz to win a chip, we need to trade him for more offensive small guys so we can be the rockets team that won so many chips over the last decade.

yeah it makes no sense to me either.

Had the Jazz drafted McDaniels instead of Doka and signed Austin Rivers, we’d be having a completely different conversation right now. Hell, had Conley never gotten hurt in game 5, we’d probably be having a different conversation right now. We knew wing defenders, athleticism, and PG were issues last offseason. Did we do anything to address them?

 

[Elizah Huge]

Apparently some fans think he’s been “exposed” and in order for the jazz to win a chip, we need to trade him for more offensive small guys so we can be the rockets team that won so many chips over the last decade.

Based on that idiotic take which team the last decade won a ring with their second best player being their offensively limited Center who can get schemed against on defense?

 

[Elizah Huge]

Rudy is great. But the problem is he is like 75 percent of our defense. It's like putting Dame on a team with defensive specialists who cant shoot like Shaq Harrison etc and judge him when he basically doesn't have any spacing at all and has to score 40 every game. Of course it would be easier to scheme against him than, double team him etc. However good one guy is you can always scheme against him.

You’re missing the part where the defense is literally schemed to Gobert. Yeah, it would be like Lillard dropping 40+ every night and them winning a bunch of games. They set up beautiful offense that funnels through him. Then in the playoffs they throw some different stuff at him like double teams and switching then he became offensively limited. Funny how you left that part out.

 

[The Thriller]

The last playoff series was won against Memphis.

Imagine if we had Morant to go with Mitchell…

 

[Elizah Huge]

Jazz fans are literally the most delusional people ever when it comes to Gobert. Literally anyone else can understand what happened last night but not Jazz fans. Gobert is a top-3 player in the league to 75% of you. I just can’t. I don’t get it. Why is all of basketball media, national media, fans, etc talking about how Gobert isn’t nearly as effective in the playoffs. Why are they saying he’s the most disrespected DPOY ever. Why can everyone see what’s happening besides Jazz fans.

Some of you literally have the audacity to think that you’re right and literally every other single person in the world who talks basketball and knows basketball is just flat out wrong lmao.

The ratio of people in the world who would agree with what I’m saying is 99.9%. The 0.01% is Jazz fans like Steve and Cy. Wouldn’t that alone make you take a step back and reconsider? Honestly, it’s at all-time embarrassing levels on this board.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Based on that idiotic take which team the last decade won a ring with their second best player being their offensively limited Center who can get schemed against on defense?

The Dallas team with Tyson Chandler is the model... they didn’t have just one second best player though... they had Dirk and like 7 or 8 good to great players... kidd may have been their second best player... Terry, Marion, a few other really high level role players.

 

[Elizah Huge]

The Dallas team with Tyson Chandler is the model... they didn’t have just one second best player though... they had Dirk and like 7 or 8 good to great players... kidd may have been their second best player... Terry, Marion, a few other really high level role players.

Oh the Tyson Chandler making 12.6M a year?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Oh the Tyson Chandler making 12.6M a year?

Yup... and therein lies our issue. Rudy is a really great player but if in the second or third round he turns into super Capela then that is a problem with our current salary structure.

There are just too many kryptonite's for his super powers. CP's mid range game, small ball, shooting 5s. Unfortunately I really don't think trading him improves our title hopes. He's worth his contract... but at that number it will be tough to put enough good pieces around him to be a title contender.

Basically I think we have to pray to hit a lotto miracle or find the guy that flamed out elsewhere and then somehow figures it out here. Maybe OP jr. comes for the minimum and all his health issues magically clear up or some ****.

Otherwise we are destined to live in Portland Trailblazers zone of solid playoff team that might break into the conference finals and be dog meat for an actual contender. The NBA is hard and only one team can win it all... when you have a chance you have to go all in and get as many good pieces as possible.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Yup... and therein lies our issue. Rudy is a really great player but if in the second or third round he turns into super Capela then that is a problem with our current salary structure.

There are just too many kryptonite's for his super powers. CP's mid range game, small ball, shooting 5s. Unfortunately I really don't think trading him improves our title hopes. He's worth his contract... but at that number it will be tough to put enough good pieces around him to be a title contender.

Basically I think we have to pray to hit a lotto miracle or find the guy that flamed out elsewhere and then somehow figures it out here. Maybe OP jr. comes for the minimum and all his health issues magically clear up or some ****.

Otherwise we are destined to live in Portland Trailblazers zone of solid playoff team that might break into the conference finals and be dog meat for an actual contender. The NBA is hard and only one team can win it all... when you have a chance you have to go all in and get as many good pieces as possible.

This is you.

 

[outerspacefan]

Individually, the big shortfall on Gobert's game is his inability to receive the basketball and finish plays without a defender into 5 or 6 feet... besides the lack of a couple more playoff playable dudes in the roster, this is what separates him from a superstar, and the Jazz from real contenders.
The thing is, as other posters have been saying, the Jazz are in a tough spot CBA wise...

 

[fishonjazz]

Jazz fans are literally the most delusional people ever when it comes to Gobert. Literally anyone else can understand what happened last night but not Jazz fans. Gobert is a top-3 player in the league to 75% of you. I just can’t. I don’t get it. Why is all of basketball media, national media, fans, etc talking about how Gobert isn’t nearly as effective in the playoffs. Why are they saying he’s the most disrespected DPOY ever. Why can everyone see what’s happening besides Jazz fans.

Some of you literally have the audacity to think that you’re right and literally every other single person in the world who talks basketball and knows basketball is just flat out wrong lmao.

The ratio of people in the world who would agree with what I’m saying is 99.9%. The 0.01% is Jazz fans like Steve and Cy. Wouldn’t that alone make you take a step back and reconsider? Honestly, it’s at all-time embarrassing levels on this board.

Take a deep breath

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[MT Steve]

Jazz fans are literally the most delusional people ever when it comes to Gobert. Literally anyone else can understand what happened last night but not Jazz fans. Gobert is a top-3 player in the league to 75% of you. I just can’t. I don’t get it. Why is all of basketball media, national media, fans, etc talking about how Gobert isn’t nearly as effective in the playoffs. Why are they saying he’s the most disrespected DPOY ever. Why can everyone see what’s happening besides Jazz fans.

Some of you literally have the audacity to think that you’re right and literally every other single person in the world who talks basketball and knows basketball is just flat out wrong lmao.

I like how when I push back on WC saying Gobert is a defensive liability this series and is getting torched when targetted, he turns it into the ultimate straw man and then proceeds to beat the hell out of it.

 

[stormkoopacv03]

If they can't be motivated for literally the biggest game in their careers last night why would they be motivated for Friday? These guys got manhandled by a team missing it's best player.

Biggest game in their careers? Hardly. Wouldn't that be the NBA finals? Hey, the sixers are in the same situation as us and they probably succeed in winning their series. I ain't giving up yet.

 

[SteakNEggs]

Biggest game in their careers? Hardly. Wouldn't that be the NBA finals? Hey, the sixers are in the same situation as us and they probably succeed in winning their series. I ain't giving up yet.

Ok name a bigger game that DM, Joe, Gobert, Conley, Faves, Royce, Bogey, Niang, or JC has played in via NBA. Seeing how not one of these guys has ever PLAYED in an NBA finals I'm confused by your point. I mean, you actually have to play a game for it to exist, right?

 

[Jazzinho]

Jazz fans are literally the most delusional people ever when it comes to Gobert. Literally anyone else can understand what happened last night but not Jazz fans. Gobert is a top-3 player in the league to 75% of you. I just can’t. I don’t get it. Why is all of basketball media, national media, fans, etc talking about how Gobert isn’t nearly as effective in the playoffs. Why are they saying he’s the most disrespected DPOY ever. Why can everyone see what’s happening besides Jazz fans.

Some of you literally have the audacity to think that you’re right and literally every other single person in the world who talks basketball and knows basketball is just flat out wrong lmao.

The ratio of people in the world who would agree with what I’m saying is 99.9%. The 0.01% is Jazz fans like Steve and Cy. Wouldn’t that alone make you take a step back and reconsider? Honestly, it’s at all-time embarrassing levels on this board.

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