Coronavirus

[Bucknutz]

You do realize that someone not getting vaccinated leads to other peoples death right?

This is false information. Just because you get the vaccine doesn’t mean you can not spread Covid.

71% of Vermont is vaccinated, the highest state in the country. It has 4 times the amount of cases and deaths per capita than Florida.

Study shows dramatic decline in effectiveness of all three COVID-19 vaccines over time

A study of 780,000 veterans shows a dramatic decline in effectiveness for all three COVID-19 vaccines in use in the U.S.

www.latimes.com

Also vaccines stop working that well over a short time…

 

[Archie Moses]

Is it also my personal business if i take a gun somewhere and start shooting?
You do realize that someone not getting vaccinated leads to other peoples death right?


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I get it, my man.

I still will keep my opinion but understand your points too.

Being fired or let go has wrecked a lot of people's lives.

If someone says they don't wanna get vaccinated for religious purposes, I'll respect and defend that. I'm not religious at all too.

The virus blows. It's gonna run its course. Responsible people will help, but not prevent. I'm 99% sure I got it twice and had two terrible experiences.

The first, I was in the Grand Tetons and was beyond lethargic and felt sick. I woke up in my hotel, in the middle of the night drenched in sweat and shaking. I've never experienced that before.

A few weeks ago I had a migraine, sinus pressure, the sniffles and felt like absolute trash. I did the self test at Walgreens or CVS (I always mix them up) and admittedly, I don't like sticking things up my nose. Lol

My test came back negative so who knows? I just have never felt like that. Next thing I know my kid and his mom tested positive.

I have the worst luck, trust me.

Didn't mean to quote you twice.

Is it also my personal business if i take a gun somewhere and start shooting?
You do realize that someone not getting vaccinated leads to other peoples death right?


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[One Brow]

Yes because a retail business that doesn’t have a hand washing sign, you’re fined $136,000 an occurrence or $13,600. Just another garbage response.
Vaccines are free? Sick time at some businesses are personal days (used for both).
100 employees is not a large employer, this is still a small business size.
Put some effort in your responses,

I put in all the effort your nonsense required. Your concerns are overblown, whining silliness.

This is false information. Just because you get the vaccine doesn’t mean you can not spread Covid

It means you'll be much less likely to spread covid19, because you'll be less likely to catch it, it will be less severe when you do, and it won't last as long. In the real world, making a bad thing 60-70% less likely has value.

71% of Vermont is vaccinated, the highest state in the country. It has 4 times the amount of cases and deaths per capita than Florida.

COVID Data Tracker

CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.

covid.cdc.gov

Florida has 275 deaths per 100K, and 17K cases/100K. Vermont has 58 deaths per 100K, and 6K cases. That's pretty close to the reverse of what you claimed.

Also vaccines stop working that well over a short time…

A reduction from 90% to 70% still provides a large level of protection.

 

[One Brow]

Not necessarily. The United States wiped out Polio using medicated sugar cubes.

I presume you mean oral vaccinations?

 

[Bucknutz]

I put in all the effort your nonsense required. Your concerns are overblown, whining silliness.

This is non sense, to not be in favor of the Federal Government forcing people to take a vaccine to work? Why do they not force people who are on unemployment or get government assistance to be mandated as well?

It means you'll be much less likely to spread covid19, because you'll be less likely to catch it, it will be less severe when you do, and it won't last as long. In the real world, making a bad thing 60-70% less likely has value.

COVID Data Tracker

CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.

covid.cdc.gov

Florida has 275 deaths per 100K, and 17K cases/100K. Vermont has 58 deaths per 100K, and 6K cases. That's pretty close to the reverse of what you claimed.

Please do a bit of research of what is happening over the last month or so. Florida (59.9%)is down and Vermont is up, even though 71.5% are vaccinated.

A reduction from 90% to 70% still provides a large level of protection.

I’m not arguing that the vaccine doesn’t protect, I’m saying that you can still get and also pass it on when vaccinated. I’m for the vaccine and I’m also for the new pill.
I just believe that more people would rather take a pill once they get sick, then be mandated by the Federal Government to be vaccinated to work.

 

[Archie Moses]

My whole point is, and I get other's points while you make super great points. I hope both mine and yours will educate people.

The virus sucks/blows, and maybe I'm wrong.

I love people. :/

I keep getting reset or kicked out.

 

[TheGoldStandard]

This is non sense, to not be in favor of the Federal Government forcing people to take a vaccine to work? Why do they not force people who are on unemployment or get government assistance to be mandated as well?

Please do a bit of research of what is happening over the last month or so. Florida (59.9%)is down and Vermont is up, even though 71.5% are vaccinated.

I’m not arguing that the vaccine doesn’t protect, I’m saying that you can still get and also pass it on when vaccinated. I’m for the vaccine and I’m also for the new pill.
I just believe that more people would rather take a pill once they get sick, then be mandated by the Federal Government to be vaccinated to work.

At this point, pretty much everyone will get COVID at some point. The question, is, how protected will you be, and will it result in our hospitals being overwhelmed? We have seen a lot of death, and there are still a large number of people that are unvaccinated or never had Covid.

While the large majority (87.4% of eligible people) of Vermont is vaccinated, 80% of hospitalizations are for those that are unvaccinated, and 84% of ICU patients. The state of Vermont is reporting that unvaccinated people in Vermont are contracting Covid at a rate 5x higher than the vaccine.

It is not a successful argument to say the vaccine does not work. Not a 100% effective, no it is not, but the flu vaccine is only 36% successful at preventing death. I doubt we will ever have a vaccine that is 100% effective at stopping a coronavirus, but the current vaccines do an amazing job at preventing death, hospitalization and morbidities. So while we would still have cases if everyone was vaccinated, the hospitalizations would drop dramatically, and we could get back to a semblance of normal.

We tried that a bit in July, and it was premature as too many were still unvaccinated.

If a pill can do a similar job at preventing death, then great, but it isn't widely circulated yet, and is still largely unproven. I don't care how we get out of the pandemic. I just care we get out of it as soon as reasonably possible while minimizing death. To date, the vaccine is the no-brainer, except for those with no brains. The data on safety, prevention of death and morbidities is clear. Everything else is just noise.

 

[Archie Moses]

So I can go into work naked without fear of repercussions?

I can pleasure myself in the breakroom without fear of repercussions?

I can not use mandatory PPE without fear of repercussions?

You are redefining what freedom means for this specific issue while not applying that concept of freedom to MANY other workplace issues that have to do with what people do with their bodies.

Like I mentioned, I'm in the interview process for a job that is going to make me take a drug test. Is that a violation of my freedom? They are going to force me to provide a sample of my body to study so that they can determine my personal activities that happen during my private time.

They are going to force me to take a physical so they can learn about the functionality of my body, if I have any injuries, if I'm disabled. Is that a violation of my freedom?

Or is it just vaccines that exist in this special category of freedom?

You're making arguments that I'm not making, my man.

Again, I may be wrong on this, but so may you.

It all comes down to perspective and reality.

Again, I support the vaccine. It's crazy af to me how many people are suddenly supporting big pharma.

Call me or show me wrong, but I remember you defending CNN and them being unbiased.

I'm certainly not a smart guy and admit it. I'm fascinated in learning and educatiing myself though.

 

[Archie Moses]

At this point, pretty much everyone will get COVID at some point. The question, is, how protected will you be, and will it result in our hospitals being overwhelmed? We have seen a lot of death, and there are still a large number of people that are unvaccinated or never had Covid.

While the large majority (87.4% of eligible people) of Vermont is vaccinated, 80% of hospitalizations are for those that are unvaccinated, and 84% of ICU patients. The state of Vermont is reporting that unvaccinated people in Vermont are contracting Covid at a rate 5x higher than the vaccine.

It is not a successful argument to say the vaccine does not work. Not a 100% effective, no it is not, but the flu vaccine is only 36% successful at preventing death. I doubt we will ever have a vaccine that is 100% effective at stopping a coronavirus, but the current vaccines do an amazing job at preventing death, hospitalization and morbidities. So while we would still have cases if everyone was vaccinated, the hospitalizations would drop dramatically, and we could get back to a semblance of normal.

We tried that a bit in July, and it was premature as too many were still unvaccinated.

If a pill can do a similar job at preventing death, then great, but it isn't widely circulated yet, and is still largely unproven. I don't care how we get out of the pandemic. I just care we get out of it as soon as reasonably possible while minimizing death. To date, the vaccine is the no-brainer, except for those with no brains. The data on safety, prevention of death and morbidities is clear. Everything else is just noise.

This is a good post.

 

[Avery]

Amazing that we'll somehow be entering year three of this next year and people still want to argue that the vaccine isn't effective. We can banter about the long-term effects as nobody knows as we're not Marty McFly, but it's a fruitless argument until we get 10-20 years down the road when this thread is no doubt still alive.

In Utah for the past four weeks, unvaccinated individuals are:

• 4.8x as likely to test positive
• 10.9x as likely to be hospitalized
• 15.8x as likely to die from Covid

That's not hyperbole, that's not spin, that's simple fact.

That doesn't mean that an unvaccinated individual is an awful person and should be shamed as you can pick and choose what you do with your temple, but if we're going to argue that the vaccine doesn't work, data is not your friend.

And yes, anyone can spread the virus - this also isn't a point of contention as no armor exists outside of locking yourself up from the outside world.

 

[One Brow]

This is non sense, to not be in favor of the Federal Government forcing people to take a vaccine to work? Why do they not force people who are on unemployment or get government assistance to be mandated as well?

OSHA has no authority to regulate people; they regulate employers.

Please do a bit of research of what is happening over the last month or so. Florida (59.9%)is down and Vermont is up, even though 71.5% are vaccinated.

Florida is down after having such wide-spread infections and the associated levels of deaths. They are not a disease prevention success story.

I’m not arguing that the vaccine doesn’t protect, I’m saying that you can still get and also pass it on when vaccinated.

I acknowledged this before, and I agree there are no absolutes in life. Do you acknowledge a person's chances of passing it on are significantly reduced after being vaccinated?

I just believe that more people would rather take a pill once they get sick, then be mandated by the Federal Government to be vaccinated to work.

9 Things You Need To Know About Molnupiravir, a New COVID-19 Pill

A new pill from Merck called molnupiravir could be game-changer in the battle against COVID-19. The company reported that the drug cut the risk of hospitalization and death by half in patients who had mild-to-moderate COVID-19.

www.yalemedicine.org

You're talking about a pill, taken after you have gotten ill and are capable of spreading the disease, which increases the rate of mutations of specific strands of RNA, one only available to high-risk adults and which might not be safe for pregnant people; the vaccine takes advantage of the body's natural immune system abilities to fight covid19. Molnupiravir does not replace the vaccine; it's like using Plan B instead of birth control. There is no good reason to prefer molnupiravir over vaccination, and you can still use molnupiravir if you get sick after being vaccinated.

 

[One Brow]

Call me or show me wrong, but I remember you defending CNN and them being unbiased.

Might have been me, but I would usually say CNN is not really biased to the political left or right, but has a bias toward sensationalism.

 

[Avery]

Might have been me, but I would usually say CNN is not really biased to the political left or right, but has a bias toward sensationalism.

CNN is the TMZ of the news world. No individual should pay attention to them.

 

[Red]

This is what I was taking about. Why vaccinate when a promising anti-Viral pill that has a 90% effect on an an unvaccinated person. Especially when the vaccine drops in effectiveness over a few months. https://www.latimes.com/science/sto...-effectiveness-of-covid-19-vaccines?_amp=true

Annual/Bi-Annual Covid booster or a pill?
This is a winning product and something more people in the nation would be willing to take.

It’s been over a year thriller…you sound like the same people who keep complaining about Obama.

The pill is for people who have come down with Covid, no? What about the sizable % of people who develop so-called long haul Covid? The two most debilitating symptoms of long haul, in my estimation, are extreme fatigue, and brain fog. And the brain fog may be the beginning of Alzheimer’s. Will this pill prevent long haul from developing? I would rather get a vaccine that helped prevent Covid altogether, and for the simple fact that long haul Covid is a thing, and I don’t want to live with brain fog and extreme fatigue for months, years? Even people with asymptomatic Covid, who don’t even know they had the illness, have come down with these post Covid symptoms months later. They would not even know to take the pill. And I would have no problem with getting annual boosters if it came to that.

New research: More than third of COVID-19 patients become 'long haul' cases

There's significant new research on the scope of what's known as "long COVID."

www.wbaltv.com

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Everything You Need to Know | Healthline

Live news & updates on the Coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak

www.healthline.com

 

[Archie Moses]

Might have been me, but I would usually say CNN is not really biased to the political left or right, but has a bias toward sensationalism.

I read CNN as my number one news source. I'm not ashamed in the least bit.

I read a meme the other day that said: If you don't read the news you're uninformed. If you do read the news, you're misinformed. I thought it was sadly true (to a certain degree.)

Yo, what's with the site bogging out so much or is it just me?

Might have been me, but I would usually say CNN is not really biased to the political left or right, but has a bias toward sensationalism.

 

[TheGoldStandard]

I read CNN as my number one news source. I'm not ashamed in the least bit.

I read a meme the other day that said: If you don't read the news you're uninformed. If you do read the news, you're misinformed. I thought it was sadly true (to a certain degree.)

Yo, what's with the site bogging out so much or is it just me?

I like:

AllSides | Balanced news via media bias ratings for an unbiased news perspective

See issues and political news with news bias revealed. Non-partisan, crowd-sourced technology shows all sides so you can decide.

www.allsides.com

It at least provides some perspective as to what is going on out there. I regularly look at Fox, CNN, Drudge Report, Drudge Retort, etc. All of the sources have some good insight, and some very biased crap. It is about filtering through the muck and finding the data. If you only look at CNN or Fox News, one would be getting a biased view.

I actually find local news sources discussing the "national issues" to provide the best balanced reporting.

 

[Gameface]

I presume you mean oral vaccinations?

Beat me to it. Is the actual problem that people are afraid of needles?

 

[Archie Moses]

Is it also my personal business if i take a gun somewhere and start shooting?
You do realize that someone not getting vaccinated leads to other peoples death right?


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This is such a poor comparison. You're probably my favorite poster too.

You do realize the percentages of people actually dying from Covid, right?

Don't preach to me this bs.

 

[Archie Moses]

This is such a poor comparison. You're probably my favorite poster too.

You do realize the percentages of people actually dying from Covid, right?

Don't preach to me this bs.

This doesn't mean I don't get it, trust me, I do.

I'd like to think I both shoot things straight and am open minded.

 

[Gameface]

This is such a poor comparison. You're probably my favorite poster too.

You do realize the percentages of people actually dying from Covid, right?

Don't preach to me this bs.

Yes, the percentage of people dying from COVID is shockingly high for a disease that is infecting as many people as it is. Something like 97%-99.75% of people who get COVID survive. That's not a good number.

800,000 Americans dead.