Humm, I wonder where I got the idea that many people view transgender people as pretending to be a different gender for some sort of advantage. The idea that transgender people are lying and/or tricking people into accepting their fake gender identity.
I wonder why I have made that argument, that transgender people are not just in drag and not just "pretending" to be something so adamantly.
I've been told over and over and over that no one thinks that transgender people are lying or faking or using their gender identity as a trick. And then this pile of **** gets posted as if this is a representation of the issue.
How many transgender people will suffer violent attacks and or be killed because of this funny clip? I'm guessing the answer is who cares?
What it did for me is make me no longer want to be part of the discussion.Possibly. I find it unlikely that it pushed anyone where they were not already going.
That is a nice take on it. I really dont care what I am called and felt no need to put that stuff. But I guess it does help people who do want to put it feel more comfortable, plus I guess it helps them feel like or know they have an ally.I have it in my email sig now, mostly because I just moved offices a few weeks ago, so I had to update it anyway. As I tried explaining to someone else, it's not like I actually care what I'm called, but if it makes just 1 person who DOES care feel less self-conscious about putting it in THEIR .sig, well, that seems like a good use of my time. (Even if it's just 1% of the reason they feel comfortable, or 0.1%, whatever, doesn't matter.)
To be honest, my preferred pronoun is actually "you," as I'd rather people talk to me than about me.
Non-imaginary violent attacks? None. Zero. There have been absolutely no violent attacks on transgender athletes since that clip has come out. However that story was centered on the mixed feeling people had toward transgender athletes dominating biological women in women's sports. The Macho Man character was modeled on the transgender High School Connecticut track athletes who took no testosterone suppressing medication. One of them even made the glib comment their competitors should work harder rather than complain or worry about what medications they weren't taking.How many transgender people will suffer violent attacks and or be killed because of this funny clip?
Back atcha.I'm not being too nice to you at all. I would never pay you such an insult.
Was that supposed to discourage me? Basic human dignity should never be a matter of discussion, it should be a given.What it did for me is make me no longer want to be part of the discussion.
It's a joke that leans hard into a harmful stereotype, punching down on an oppressed class. It's not better than making jokes based on race or gender.It was supposed to be a lighthearted joke to a conversation charged with emotion, but fair point.
Of course it’s an issue more deeply rooted than a South Park video.
Because only athletes matter? I really wonder how carefully you think about what you said sometimes. It really comes out callous, and almost inhuman, when you go places like this.Non-imaginary violent attacks? None. Zero. There have been absolutely no violent attacks on transgender athletes since that clip has come out.
What's your source for that tidbit?The Macho Man character was modeled on the transgender High School Connecticut track athletes who took no testosterone suppressing medication.
Really, your ugliness here has no lower limit, apparently. There is no lie too shallow, too easily disproved that you would be reluctant to spread it.Lawyers for the transgender athletes have argued that both are undergoing hormone treatments that have put them on an equal footing with the girls they are competing against.
One of the plaintiffs, Chelsea Mitchell, won two state indoor title races over Miller this year
@Gameface , I guess I will have to step up my game if you are somehow worse than me.... is little better than One Brow's. It might even be worse.
This is why you're not worth engaging.Non-imaginary violent attacks? None. Zero. There have been absolutely no violent attacks on transgender athletes since that clip has come out. However that story was centered on the mixed feeling people had toward transgender athletes dominating biological women in women's sports. The Macho Man character was modeled on the transgender High School Connecticut track athletes who took no testosterone suppressing medication. One of them even made the glib comment their competitors should work harder rather than complain or worry about what medications they weren't taking.
The question that episode raised was "does being acceptive and supportive of the trans community require that you support what the High School Connecticut track athletes were doing?" It is a valid question and one I think a lot of people are wrestling with. Your approach here by insinuating that by merely asking a question about there being a line between being compassionate towards the trans individuals and not feeling right about watching those Connecticut track athletes destroy their competition, as the South Park creators did in that episode, is the same as fostering violent attacks on trans athletes is little better than One Brow's. It might even be worse. All One Brow is doing is calling people a bigot. You are assigning responsibility for imaginary violent attacks on these trans athletes.
This. The "joke" isn't funny unless you think transgender athletes are pretending to be female so that they can win at sports. It's so ****ing absurd in every way, yet it seems people really think this is happening on a significant enough scale to garner our attention and outrage.It's a joke that leans hard into a harmful stereotype, punching down on an oppressed class. It's not better than making jokes based on race or gender.
You're a valuable and likable poster. Perhaps you should put this guy on ignore, for your own sake. He's not worth you getting upset.This is why you're not worth engaging.
agreed. I've made an effort to not have any posters on ignore, but I really gain nothing from AI. He's yet to say anything that has helped me better understand an issue and there are others that help me understand his general point of view better than he does.You're a valuable and likable poster. Perhaps you should put this guy on ignore, for your own sake. He's not worth you getting upset.
That was what the episode you were commenting on was about. Don't tell me you haven't seen the episode and were voicing an uninformed strong opinion as a basis for assigning responsibility for violent attacks.I didn't ****ing say transgender athletes. Okay?
Are you sure about that? There is a very good reason the article you linked to didn't use the term "murder" in the claim made in the tag line. Advocates use the same trick for making claims that anti-gun advocates use. Suicides can be counted as violent deaths and even homicides but they don't count as murders. If your statistics cite 'violent deaths' rather than 'murders' then it includes suicides. Unlike your earlier comment on the South Park episode I suspect was made in ignorance, I'm thinking you may know the answer to this question: How does the suicide rate in the trans community compare to the suicide rate of the general population? Is it "astronomically higher"?Transgender people get murdered at a rate that is astronomically higher than any other population in the U.S. So GFYS with your smug little attitude.
Are you sure about that?
Black people are eight times more likely to be murdered than White people. Gameface said the rate for transgender victimhood was astronomically higher than any other group of people. That is only true if you don't consider Black Americans to be people. I know that's not you One Brow. I know you are a scrapper and Gameface is your boy but this is not the hill. Do not put yourself in the position of downplaying the sad reality of how many Black Americans lose their lives each year.Trans people are four times more likely to be the victim of a violent crime than cis people.
Black people are eight times more likely to be murdered than White people.
I even consider black, trans people to be people, and the attempt to play one group off the other as despicable.Gameface said the rate for transgender victimhood was astronomically higher than any other group of people. That is only true if you don't consider Black Americans to be people.
Go back 12 years or so and you'd think otherwise.... Gameface is your boy ...
Using the plight of one oppressed group to diminish the plight of a different oppressed group are standard tactics by oppressors.Do not put yourself in the position of downplaying the sad reality of how many Black Americans lose their lives each year.
Nope. Someone else was discussing what effect your post might have had. I said what effect it had on me. Pretty simple.Was that supposed to discourage me? Basic human dignity should never be a matter of discussion, it should be a given.