You're a valuable and likable poster. Perhaps you should put this guy on ignore, for your own sake. He's not worth you getting upset.
Transgender and sports
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agreed. I've made an effort to not have any posters on ignore, but I really gain nothing from AI. He's yet to say anything that has helped me better understand an issue and there are others that help me understand his general point of view better than he does.
Transgender people over four times more likely than cisgender people to be victims of violent crime
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Dehumanizing and delegitimizing transgender identity absolutely contributes to this.
Al-O-Meter
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That was what the episode you were commenting on was about. Don't tell me you haven't seen the episode and were voicing an uninformed strong opinion as a basis for assigning responsibility for violent attacks.
Are you sure about that? There is a very good reason the article you linked to didn't use the term "murder" in the claim made in the tag line. Advocates use the same trick for making claims that anti-gun advocates use. Suicides can be counted as violent deaths and even homicides but they don't count as murders. If your statistics cite 'violent deaths' rather than 'murders' then it includes suicides. Unlike your earlier comment on the South Park episode I suspect was made in ignorance, I'm thinking you may know the answer to this question: How does the suicide rate in the trans community compare to the suicide rate of the general population? Is it "astronomically higher"?
You made the claim that transgender people are MURDERED at a rate that is astronomically higher than any other population in the United States. Prove it. I'll help you with some denominators. As I posted earlier, roughly 21% of Gen Z identifies as LGBT. Roughly 14% of Gen Z identifies as Black so LGBT is a 50% larger demographic, and if proportionally victimized at the same rate should have a murder rate 50% higher than Black Americans. Just shy of 10,000 Black Americans were murdered during the 366 days of 2020. Those aren't imaginary murders and those Black lives matter.
The truth advocates try to distract from is that most people who meet these unfortunate ends are mostly commonly killed by people very much like themselves. White homicide victims are usually killed by White perpetrators. Black homicide victims are most often killed by Black perpetrators. Transgender homicide victims are usually killed by Transgender perpetrators but sadly with that group the homicide victim and the perpetrator are most often the same person. You are playing games with terms and statistics to shame people from voicing an opinion you don't want to hear. I stand by my earlier statement of that South Park episode, which I have seen and believed did a good job of examining this issue through the eyes of PC Principal, has not resulted in any violent attacks or murders. I think you were spouting ignorance.
Gender Identity Disparities in Criminal Victimization
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Trans people are four times more likely to be the victim of a violent crime than cis people. Perhaps you're the special sort of person who thinks that the violent crime rate and the murder rate are not connected.
However, there are a dearth of studies looking at the murder rate of trans people. I can only find one, in 2017, and it's estimate range was apparently between 1/7 as likely and four times more likely, for trans people generally, while almost certainly more likely for trans women of color.
I deleted all your blame-the-victim JAQoffery. It wasn't even worth rebutting, it was that stupid.
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Black people are eight times more likely to be murdered than White people. Gameface said the rate for transgender victimhood was astronomically higher than any other group of people. That is only true if you don't consider Black Americans to be people. I know that's not you One Brow. I know you are a scrapper and Gameface is your boy but this is not the hill. Do not put yourself in the position of downplaying the sad reality of how many Black Americans lose their lives each year.
Once you factor in the effects of poverty, education, etc., these effects are severely diminished (the report recommends Table 2, in particular, to see this effect). That's why the problem is racism more than bigotry. That's why black and Latina trans women are much more likely to be victimized.
I even consider black, trans people to be people, and the attempt to play one group off the other as despicable.
Go back 12 years or so and you'd think otherwise.
Using the plight of one oppressed group to diminish the plight of a different oppressed group are standard tactics by oppressors.
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Nope. Someone else was discussing what effect your post might have had. I said what effect it had on me. Pretty simple.
Still waiting to hear what your source is for this claim. If they lied to you about this, will you keep using them as a source?
The question was rhetorical.
Al-O-Meter
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That source would be transgender Connecticut High School sprinter Terry Miller via Chase Strangio, the lawyer representing Terry Miller.
"Transgender high school sophomores Terry Miller and Andraya Yearwood came in first and second place, respectively, in the 100-meter race at the State Open Finals June 4, angering some parents who complained they had a competitive advantage over non-transgender students."
Transgender teens outrun track and field competitors but critics close behind
Some parents within Connecticut's high school track and field circle expressed outraged when two transgender students won top prizes at the state championships for girls.abcnews.go.com
You mean, the same article that said "... Yearwood was on hormone therapy throughout high school"?
So, when you referred to "the transgender High School Connecticut track athletes who took no testosterone suppressing medication", that was a lie, because you already knew about the Washington Post article, right? Or, are you saying you spoke to Strangio directly?