The *OFFICIAL* Russia Is About To Invade Ukraine Thread

[Deleted member 365]

What a “subtle” dog whistle fraulein owens!



Soros is constantly called a globalist. Now Zelensky. What do those two have in common???

Why is the American right rooting for Putin and against Zelensky and the west???

 

[Deleted member 365]

Weird, rich american oligarchs place greater importance on preserving their own wealth than helping liberal democracy succeed? Sad

 

[Eminence]

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Any recent updates with your perspective on the situation overall?

 

[Gameface]

 

[Deleted member 365]

But sure, give them control of congress in the midterms.

 

[gandalfe]

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But sure, give them control of congress in the midterms.

To be fair, they still thought their base was going to keep riding the Tucker Carlson Putin-Good train.

 

[Gameface]

So I need to say that I was wrong. I expected the Russian war machine to get some traction and start taking cities, including the capital.

I think both Ukrainian resistance has been more effective and tenacious than expected, but Russian military incompetence, poor training, poor discipline, poor support, poor material readiness, poor field repair, poor planning, and absolutely abysmal self assessment has provided an actual opportunity for Ukraine to end this without the government falling.

With the disparity in numbers and military spending that's completely insane. I get that offensive military action is harder than defensive military action (always a little bonus multiplier when you're defending you home, your family, you country and responding to atrocities the enemy is committing against you) but Russia should have, on paper, done MUCH better at achieving their objectives than they have been.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Lol. Things appear to be going well.

 

[Gameface]

Lol. Things appear to be going well.

I can't say how reassured I am that the first war of conquest by a major world power since WWII is not going well.

I hope this is a lesson for all the other nations out their eyeing their neighbors lands.

 

[Deleted member 365]

So I need to say that I was wrong. I expected the Russian war machine to get some traction and start taking cities, including the capital.

I think both Ukrainian resistance has been more effective and tenacious than expected, but Russian military incompetence, poor training, poor discipline, poor support, poor material readiness, poor field repair, poor planning, and absolutely abysmal self assessment has provided and actual opportunity for Ukraine to end this without the government falling.

With the disparity in numbers and military spending that's completely insane. I get that offensive military action is harder than defensive military action (always a little bonus multiplier when you're defending you home, your family, you country and responding to atrocities the enemy is committing against you) but Russia should have, on paper, done MUCH better at achieving their objectives than they have been.

It’s almost like Russia is a corrupt mafia state where personal grift has superseded the needs of the state and is led by an autocrat who isn’t as smart or talented as he was made out to be by the former president of the United States. Their defense spending should’ve made rolling Ukraine easy. But when you’re a mafia state, a kleptocracy and everyone is raiding the state’s budget, expect all that defense spending to be funneled into shell companies instead of, you know, the defense forces. It’s not to take anything away from Ukraine. And we’re definitely not out of the woods yet. But this should be a lesson for everyone about the risks of indulging in corruption. Putin can’t trust anyone in government because everyone has been stealing from the government for decades.

But at least he still has chemical and nuclear weapons to make things worse in an attempt to draw NATO into the fight. Which brings up another issue, how about president Biden? He’s threaded this needle perfectly. He’s been calling Russia’s crap out since this began. He’s rallied NATO and the west. He’s provided Ukraine with the means to protect itself all while refusing to fall into Putin’s traps of making this about the west. I think this administration deserves a lot of credit. We all know the former guy wouldn’t have helped Zelensky. Not sure if Obama could’ve threaded this needle. Not sure if the hawks in the Bush administration could’ve resisted to not make this about regime change in Russia. So far the west has largely let Putin hang himself with a noose of his own making.

 

[Gameface]

It’s almost like Russia is a corrupt mafia state where personal grift has superseded the needs of the state and is led by an autocrat who isn’t as smart or talented as he was made out to be by the former president of the United States. Their defense spending should’ve made rolling Ukraine easy. But when you’re a mafia state, a kleptocracy and everyone is raiding the state’s budget, expect all that defense spending to be funneled into shell companies instead of, you know, the defense forces. It’s not to take anything away from Ukraine. And we’re definitely not out of the woods yet. But this should be a lesson for everyone about the risks of indulging in corruption. Putin can’t trust anyone in government because everyone has been stealing from the government for decades.

But at least he still has chemical and nuclear weapons to make things worse in an attempt to draw NATO into the fight. Which brings up another issue, how about president Biden? He’s threaded this needle perfectly. He’s been calling Russia’s crap out since this began. He’s rallied NATO and the west. He’s provided Ukraine with the means to protect itself all while refusing to fall into Putin’s traps of making this about the west. I think this administration deserves a lot of credit. We all know the former guy wouldn’t have helped Zelensky. Not sure if Obama could’ve threaded this needle. Not sure if the hawks in the Bush administration could’ve resisted to not make this about regime change in Russia. So far the west has largely let Putin hang himself with a noose of his own making.

Good point that Biden has resisted being the White Knight of Democracy and just let this play out as Putin has fallen flat on his face. I agree that there may not have been another administration that could have resisted scoring war hero points on this thing, while actually making everything much worse.

 

[gandalfe]

Part of the problem with the Russian military is that it's weak BY DESIGN. See, Putin doesn't come from a military background, so he doesn't trust them, so he purposefully gets rid of any commanders who get too much power or popularity, and puts in an intelligence guy. Also, unless a strongman has his military (normally by coming up thru them and developing relationships) there is no great danger to them than a strong charismatic general.