Some friendly advice, you might want to contact the admins about that. Having multiple accounts is a banable thing, but if it is an honest mistake I'm sure they'd work with you on it.
The Biden Administration and All Things Politics
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Mongoose
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Cool! I hope they ban me- I waste too much time here. I don't post much from my phone anyway.
Red
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You mean Ngo is anti-Antifa of course. I don’t know otherwise, he’s the only one mentioned.
Yes, if it’s a an actual threat, as in “I’m going to find you and yada yada…”
Apparently it's more than just Ngo, and more than just @VPS_Reports:
Several left-wing activists had their Twitter accounts suspended after a false-report campaign by far-right users
One of the users targeted told Insider they had found evidence of a coordinated campaign to get them banned from Twitter.
Bucknutz
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So threatening someone in a tweet doesn’t cross the line into actual threats. So you would be fine if I threaten to harm you constantly on this message board; it wouldn’t cross the line into actual threats because it’s just a post.
Well it does cross twitters line:
X's policy on hateful conduct | X Help
Learn what we define as hateful, harassing or intimidating conduct, how to report it, and what actions we may take.
help.twitter.com
2) @VPS_Reports definitely hates Chaya Raichik, specifically. Usually, hatred directed at one person doesn't qualify as "hate speech", nor is saying that @VPS_Reports will respond in a war they already see in progress.l
He stated that it will be militant. Sounds like he is inciting harm on people.
I don’t know what children using litter boxes slur means. Is it referencing furry’s? The fake story about them using litter boxes in school. I know a teacher who consider themselves a furry.
I don’t follow Libs of Tiktoc, but I thought they just post videos of actual people saying things from their Tiktoc accounts. I will look at twitter account today to see what is being posted.
If you feel libs of Tiktoc posts hate speech report them. I don’t see why Reds post is news worthy. If these 4 people were going against the terms of service, why is it a big deal to have their accounts suspended?
Bucknutz
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What is considered an actual threat? Is that subjective. The person being threatened would take it seriously. The person who does the threatening might not be serious. Would a better policy be, if you make any threats of violence to a group or person then your account should be suspended. No tolerance policy. That’s what Twitter has:
X's policy on hateful conduct | X Help
Learn what we define as hateful, harassing or intimidating conduct, how to report it, and what actions we may take.
help.twitter.com
Are you really trying to justify with people who are using hate speech because they are on your side? I don’t know why it’s so hard to call out people from their tribe.
Now if they got suspended for not abusing the terms of service, then they have a case and should be restored.
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Can't even WISH harm on people? Well ****, I can't post anywhere!So threatening someone in a tweet doesn’t cross the line into actual threats. So you would be fine if I threaten to harm you constantly on this message board; it wouldn’t cross the line into actual threats because it’s just a post.
Well it does cross twitters line:
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X's policy on hateful conduct | X Help
Learn what we define as hateful, harassing or intimidating conduct, how to report it, and what actions we may take.
2) @VPS_Reports definitely hates Chaya Raichik, specifically. Usually, hatred directed at one person doesn't qualify as "hate speech", nor is saying that @VPS_Reports will respond in a war they already see in progress.l
He stated that it will be militant. Sounds like he is inciting harm on people.
I don’t know what children using litter boxes slur means. Is it referencing furry’s? The fake story about them using litter boxes in school. I know a teacher who consider themselves a furry.
I don’t follow Libs of Tiktoc, but I thought they just post videos of actual people saying things from their Tiktoc accounts. I will look at twitter account today to see what is being posted.
If you feel libs of Tiktoc posts hate speech report them. I don’t see why Reds post is news worthy. If these 4 people were going against the terms of service, why is it a big deal to have their accounts suspended?
What's the actual threat you saw? Only "You will live in fear..." even came close, and even then, it's removed from context. Also, I don't know that Ngo reported the tweets correctly.
Yes, it seems to. Which still doesn't make it a threat, but the quote is a rules violation.
Confrontation can be militant without being violent. For example, Malcom X was often called militant.
It's used as a larger part of the movement to slur trans people and 'wokeness'.
Some people like to respond directly as well as report.
The article says that, on one of the largest communication platforms we have fight now, voices supporting one point of view are being successfully targeted, while even more extreme voices on the other side are being let back on. If true, how is that not newsworthy?
Bucknutz
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4 people…did they violate the terms of service? If they did, then it’s not targeting. If they didn’t then I will side with you. But from the screenshots it’s shows that 1 did violate it, even though you don’t think so.
Why was Trump permanently banned from Twitter? Here is their reason:
Those tweets didn’t even threaten anyone but they thought it was still against their Glorification of violence policy.
Rules and policies
help.twitter.com
You have a subjective red line to cross to consider it hate speech or threats; so does Twitter. You might not agree with there’s, but just follow the rules and you won’t be suspended.
This is the reason I have been so adamantly against having the government work with social media and controlling narrative. It took 4 people being suspended on the left that you and Red are upset and calling suspensions a targeting campaign. Think if the Trump administration controlled the narrative. Or the right side having Biden administration control the narrative.
This would create more doubt, misunderstanding, hatred and division with each other.
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That is a perspicacious freudian slip right there.
Before we go on, did you read the linked article within the Yahoo! story? It's talking about generating a large volume of reports over minor infractions to deliberately get people suspended.
Did you miss the part where I said, "..., but the quote is a rules violation."?
The link includes a kill list much longer, with several names crossed out. Accounts were/are being targeted from that list. How is that not sufficient for a targeting campaign?
You understand there is a difference between "social media limiting misinformation with government resources" and "government controlling the narrative", right?
The Thriller
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That damn Biden! Biggest scandal since Obama wore a tan suit.
Red
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Am I? I didn’t know I was. I have a Twitter account, but have never tweeted. Mostly get funny animal videos in my email. Otherwise, I’ll use Twitter here, on this forum, to introduce stories. I think it’s a good vehicle for that. I do get pro-far right tweets in my email as well, and plenty of anti-MAGA, etc. tweets. But, anyway, I don’t believe I’ve spoken out in favor of hate. Don’t think hatred is a healthy emotion. I really don’t believe I feel hatred toward Trump or MAGA, they are human, with human weaknesses, yet people like AI think I’m so unhinged with hate that I actually want to apply the final solution to MAGA supporters. But guys like AI see what they want to see I guess. Anger, yes, but anger is not hate.
The Thriller
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The right is working the refs. They are pro free speech when it serves them but anti free speech when it does not. When it involves women protesting, POC protesting against police brutality, LGBT communities, books, Disney, Tim “Apple”, Republicans are anti free speech. But when it comes to anti vax pseudo science, misogyny, racist speech, election conspiracy, etc they’re all about free speech. They’re fighting a battle against an American culture and people that they know they’re losing. It’s why they’re rejecting facts and reality and retreating into their own echo chambers. It’s why they’re fighting so damn hard to break our political system to their authoritarian will to ensure minority rule far after their candidates and party have lost appeal to the majority.
I’m really glad that Elon has opened things up on the public square known as twitter so that we can have valuable debates about:
1. Do Jews really control the world?
2. Was Hitler really that bad? Let’s re-examine the evidence since his life probably had a lot more value than originally given credit for.
3. Should women be caged and tortured? (One of the accounts Elon unfroze this week asked this deep and important question.)
All sarcasm and kidding aside, the right wing is still an incredibly authoritarian movement in America. That means they will use and abuse every platform to bind others to rules they won’t abide by while exploiting these platforms to spew their rhetoric and control narratives. Want to distract from election loses? Flood the zone with ****. Want to distract from Nazis dining with Trump or from Rrump’s own legal battles? Play a game of whataboutHunter. Want to ensure that companies cater to you? Penalize them (or threaten to penalize them), as Ron DeSantis did with Disney over the summer and what Elon did with Apple this week. These tactics have been used and repeated in nearly every authoritarian country out there.
www.foxnews.com
www.politico.com
I’m really glad that Elon has opened things up on the public square known as twitter so that we can have valuable debates about:
1. Do Jews really control the world?
2. Was Hitler really that bad? Let’s re-examine the evidence since his life probably had a lot more value than originally given credit for.
3. Should women be caged and tortured? (One of the accounts Elon unfroze this week asked this deep and important question.)
All sarcasm and kidding aside, the right wing is still an incredibly authoritarian movement in America. That means they will use and abuse every platform to bind others to rules they won’t abide by while exploiting these platforms to spew their rhetoric and control narratives. Want to distract from election loses? Flood the zone with ****. Want to distract from Nazis dining with Trump or from Rrump’s own legal battles? Play a game of whataboutHunter. Want to ensure that companies cater to you? Penalize them (or threaten to penalize them), as Ron DeSantis did with Disney over the summer and what Elon did with Apple this week. These tactics have been used and repeated in nearly every authoritarian country out there.
Ron DeSantis says if Apple removes Twitter, Congress must respond | Fox News Video
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis joins 'Tucker Carlson Tonight' to sound off on Apple and return of Bob Iger to Disney
www.foxnews.com
Never mind, Musk says — accusation against Apple was a ‘misunderstanding’
The billionaire writes that he and Apple CEO Tim Cook “resolved the misunderstanding about Twitter potentially being removed from the App Store.”
www.politico.com
Mongoose
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Looks like you were right- the government should have just stayed out of the negotiation. By stepping in they were actually blocking the workers ability to strike in order to get what they wanted. Over half of the union workers didn't like the deal, but it is being forced on them. Now if they choose to strike they can probably be arrested thanks to the most "worker friendly president" ever.
It says this was a last resort, but it sure happened quickly- it sure is amazing how quickly things can get through when they are stomping on the little guy or funding wars. How little gets done in regards to things people care about.
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Or republicans could have just voted the way the democrats (the president included) wanted them to and then the workers wouldnt even have wanted or needed to stike and the workers would have got what they wanted.
Too bad the republicans chose to support the rich corporation instead of the workers.
After all, workers striking is no guarantee to get what they want. Republicans could have guaranteed that the workers get what they want (a much more optimal solution than a strike) but unfortunately dont care about the workers.
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Mongoose
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Um no- I meant to include this article as well- https://time.com/6238361/joe-biden-rail-strike-illegal/
We'll see if he goes back and fights for paid leave for "all workers"
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So what do you think the solution is and/or what do you think a reasonable person should do in regard to this information?
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Your artilce so stupid though. Right at the beginning it says this: Biden decided the broader economy was a bigger priority than 100,000 freight rail workers having any paid sick leave in their next contract
He didn't though. There was a vote. But Biden wasn't involved in the vote. Most republicans voted against them getting the paid sick leave. Most democrats voted for them to get the sick leave. Biden wanted them to get their sick leave and also thought the economy was important and hoped congress would award the workers with paid sick leave. The republican portion of congress didn't want to award the workers with sick leave. That is what happenend.
You are an idiot for putting blame for this on biden when there were literally people who had votes on the matter. ALL THE BLAME IS ON THOSE WHO VOTED AGAINST THE WORKERS GETTING SICK PAY!!! How partisan do you have to be to not see that?
According to VICE, the issue was never about sick pay to start with, but overwork, exhaustion, and safety:
www.vice.com
The Freight Rail Labor Dispute Was Never About ‘Sick Days’
Workers were not threatening to shut down the nation’s rail system over a few sick days. They were sounding the alarm on a broken system that affects us all.
www.vice.com