Roster Building From Here - FA and Summer of 2023

[NUMBERICA]

So the Clippers might be an interesting team to watch. Similar to the Lakers, the Clippers are asset-poor, old, and desperate to win. Unlike the Lakers, they are in absolute cap hell next season. They are paying nearly $200 million this season in salaries and about $142 million in additional luxury tax penalties. Next season they will be in the repeater tax as well, and they are paying nearly $30 million next year to players that might not be in the playoff rotation (Morris and RoCo, though Batum is also a shell of his former self). They will also need to sign some players with the likely departure of Plumlee and Westbrook (they won't have any PGs).

They could just terminate Eric Gordon's contract early, but he's playing really well for them. If they don't, I could see them looking for a way to dump some dead weight.

Enter the Jazz. I don't think they'd have leverage to ask for an unprotected 1st from the Clippers, but maybe they could approach LAC with the Numberica special: 2nds and swaps. They'll have three future 2nds they can trade ('26, '29, '30) and more than enough swappable 1sts than we could ask for.

The parameters of the deal could range from a straight salary dump to the Jazz returning some players.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Here is the trade I think happens on draft night... executed once FA opens to allow us to use cap space.

Atlanta sends John Collins and the #15 pick (and maybe a second or two) for KO and the #28 pick. Allows them to duck the tax and cut future salary... Hunter's extension and Bogie is now locked in too. We may not use 9,15,16 but if we do we will have better quality prospects. DA bets on John Collins in a new setting. Also gets him to a finger specialist to fix his wonky *** finger.

May be able to package 15 and 16 with 9 to move up or to use them together to move up.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

So the Clippers might be an interesting team to watch. Similar to the Lakers, the Clippers are asset-poor, old, and desperate to win. Unlike the Lakers, they are in absolute cap hell next season. They are paying nearly $200 million this season in salaries and about $142 million in additional luxury tax penalties. Next season they will be in the repeater tax as well, and they are paying nearly $30 million next year to players that might not be in the playoff rotation (Morris and RoCo, though Batum is also a shell of his former self). They will also need to sign some players with the likely departure of Plumlee and Westbrook (they won't have any PGs).

They could just terminate Eric Gordon's contract early, but he's playing really well for them. If they don't, I could see them looking for a way to dump some dead weight.

Enter the Jazz. I don't think they'd have leverage to ask for an unprotected 1st from the Clippers, but maybe they could approach LAC with the Numberica special: 2nds and swaps. They'll have three future 2nds they can trade ('26, '29, '30) and more than enough swappable 1sts than we could ask for.

The parameters of the deal could range from a straight salary dump to the Jazz returning some players.

They are one to watch but I think they are the one team that will spend into oblivion if they have to, but if it’s side stuff like seconds and swaps they may be willing to play ball.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

So the Clippers might be an interesting team to watch. Similar to the Lakers, the Clippers are asset-poor, old, and desperate to win. Unlike the Lakers, they are in absolute cap hell next season. They are paying nearly $200 million this season in salaries and about $142 million in additional luxury tax penalties. Next season they will be in the repeater tax as well, and they are paying nearly $30 million next year to players that might not be in the playoff rotation (Morris and RoCo, though Batum is also a shell of his former self). They will also need to sign some players with the likely departure of Plumlee and Westbrook (they won't have any PGs).

They could just terminate Eric Gordon's contract early, but he's playing really well for them. If they don't, I could see them looking for a way to dump some dead weight.

Enter the Jazz. I don't think they'd have leverage to ask for an unprotected 1st from the Clippers, but maybe they could approach LAC with the Numberica special: 2nds and swaps. They'll have three future 2nds they can trade ('26, '29, '30) and more than enough swappable 1sts than we could ask for.

The parameters of the deal could range from a straight salary dump to the Jazz returning some players.

Although I just saw that stuff about the teams that go over the second apron 2 out of 4 years their picks end up going to the end of the first round.

What a weird rule. So the teams that own those picks going to get penalized? Just some weird rules that don't seem like they address real problems.

 

[infection]

Although I just saw that stuff about the teams that go over the second apron 2 out of 4 years their picks end up going to the end of the first round.

What a weird rule. So the teams that own those picks going to get penalized? Just some weird rules that don't seem like they address real problems.

They’d really need to iron that out because there would need to be stipulations on trading that, because you could trade it and not care, or if someone owns that pick or a swap or whatever… anyway…

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

They’d really need to iron that out because there would need to be stipulations on trading that, because you could trade it and not care, or if someone owns that pick or a swap or whatever… anyway…

Kicks in starting 24-25 season. I think only the Clips would really stay over long term… but OKC does own their 2026 pick.

Every new cba negotiation those guys find a way to get hosed.

 

[Elizah Huge]

They’d really need to iron that out because there would need to be stipulations on trading that, because you could trade it and not care, or if someone owns that pick or a swap or whatever… anyway…

There has to be some kind of stipulation that it only goes to the end of the first if they own their pick still.

 

[NUMBERICA]

There has to be some kind of stipulation that it only goes to the end of the first if they own their pick still.

One would hope, though it might be a thing where the rules are trying to hamstring teams from even trading assets for their own protection and to structure the rules towards parity in the meantime.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

There has to be some kind of stipulation that it only goes to the end of the first if they own their pick still.

I just don't get the motivation behind it. Like are people worried these high spenders are also going to be really bad teams? Like are people worried about when GS tanked a couple years ago. Seems like they are solving a problem that didn't exist.

If they just decide to penalize big spenders in random ways it will have unintended consequences. It was just a weird nuance that no one was really talking about wanting.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Although I just saw that stuff about the teams that go over the second apron 2 out of 4 years their picks end up going to the end of the first round.

What a weird rule. So the teams that own those picks going to get penalized? Just some weird rules that don't seem like they address real problems.

I’ve not heard this. Sounds kinda stupid if there isn’t a carve-out for trading the picks (or at least grandfathering picks owed prior to the kick-in date).

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

One would hope, though it might be a thing where the rules are trying to hamstring teams from even trading assets for their own protection and to structure the rules towards parity in the meantime.

Or to prevent teams from trading stars to teams that are stacking stars and using picks to do it. Like imagine if the Suns are in the repeater double apron tax and the Nets traded KD for the 30th pick in 27 and 29.

Just some weird nonsense.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I’ve not heard this. Sounds kinda stupid if there isn’t a carve-out for trading the picks (or at least grandfathering picks owed prior to the kick-in date).

It just came out today as the details are now flowing out. Weirdest penalty/rule in a while.

I sometimes think the big markets want this stuff in there so that they can justifiably cut salary. "we wanted to spend into oblivion but we'd hurt our draft pick... so we salary dumped player X or let them walk... it wasn't about the money... it was about basketball stuff."

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Like is any team pissed the Warriors are spending like 300M on tax or whatever it is and they have the 20th pick? Do they think giving them the 30th pick would have stopped them?

Weird.. not complaining as it likely won't bother us any... just weird. Its like when Congress addresses dumb tax stuff that no one cared about while there are giant holes they desperately need to address but don't.

 

[Eddie Zero]

Lol @ Trae being called a loser. He took his team to the ECF.



Jazzfanz gonna Jazzfanz.

Kevin Huerter says hi

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Pretty sure Al Jefferson just never happens in this era. I also think Al Jefferson is a reason why teams have wised up in the last decade.

I’m pretty sure it was the evolution of the 3pt shot that changed everything.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Kevin Huerter says hi

Is anyone able to have a functioning convo with you? I’m all the smartest jazzfanzers next to you.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I’m pretty sure it was the evolution of the 3pt shot that changed everything.

Probably part of it, but post-centric offenses are garbage unless you have an elite guy like Embiid/Jokic and the proper roster around them. Al Jefferson was not efficient, couldn't guard in space, and wasn't a good passer. That used to be fine until the 2010's.

 

[Chargers Jazz Angels]

There are a couple of players that I wouldn't mind liberating from other teams that seem to have fallen out of favor.

Moses Moody - GSW
Payton Pritchard - Celtics
Patrick Baldwin - GSW
Chris Duarte - Pacers
Jason Preston - Clippers
nassir Little - Blazers


Moses Moody would be top for me.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Probably part of it, but post-centric offenses are garbage unless you have an elite guy like Embiid/Jokic and the proper roster around them. Al Jefferson was not efficient, couldn't guard in space, and wasn't a good passer. That used to be fine until the 2010's.

If not for the evolution of the three-point shot. There’d be plenty of big Al’s running around. There were big Al’s in the nba long before Big Al in the 80’s 90,s and early 2000’s. Lol big Al didn’t cause this.

 

[Jingled]

Tony Jones was on ESPN700 this afternoon and he sounded kind of pessimistic about the likelihood of Clarkson being back next season. Said he thinks the offer from the Jazz will be conservative in terms of money and especially in terms of years...he thinks JC will want more years on his next contract than the Jazz are willing to give. He also said the Jazz see Ochai as their starting shooting guard going forward and Sexton as their 6th man, so if the Jazz re-sign Clarkson, they will be looking at having two 6th men on their roster. Also said Clarkson may have outgrown the role he would have if he were to stay with the Jazz.