Court: California gay marriage ban is unconstitutional
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Darkwing Duck
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Family isn't necessarily the fundamental unit of society. And family itself is defined loosely. In some societies, the entire village is considered family. There are some cultures where the term for "older man," the basic equivalent to when we'd use "sir," is the same word as "father." Mediterranean culture used to be where the sons would build their house after they got married as an extension to their parents' home. I'm sure you don't live next door to your parents (should actually be in the same building), so they would think you're being "selfish" and destroyed the framework of the family unit. How would you respond to that? The concept of "family" isn't set in stone as you make it out to be.
Also, humans find pleasure in sex. It is more than a natural instinct at that point. Other animals use sex to procreate. Humans find an emotional response to it, thus, it has other meanings then to procreate. Nothing selfish about it, unless you equate it to eating chocolate, or something, since eating chocolate is not healthy, nor is it part of the "natural" nutrition.
Link #1: So, what's the point? I could throw out a statistic that x out of y societies are matrilineal (would be under 50%). Would that make those people somehow worse or selfish? In any case, lack of observant homosexual behavior doesn't equate to lack of genetic traits. Last time I looked into it, the issue is unresolved.
Link #2: The inference is that people are saying they're born that way because society tells them it's okay to say so. Of course, new scientific understanding of the genetic code couldn't have anything to do with it.
Link #3: Sure, a risk. I'm sure you could find similar studies for drinkers, smokers, foster parents, single parents, families who move a lot, etc. I do believe the studies have shown the stability seems to be the biggest factor. I guess the solution is to actively force everyone who isn't in a nuclear family and a single detached house with a white picket fence into said conditions.
Link #4 and #5: What's the point? Riskier situations require more vigilance in protecting oneself. Having sex with Africans (hetero or homo) makes one more likely to contract HIV. Does it then become selfish to have sex with Africans?
Link #6: Have the studies been performed to determine whether the higher use is because they're homosexual, or to other social factors that are common amongst homosexuals. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the suicide rate higher in American Mormons than with any other Mormon? Is that because they're Mormon, or because of social norms more common to Mormonism.
If I were an orphan in an orphanage I'd be happy to be adopted by a gay couple. Having people who care about you and can support you beats being an orphan your entire childhood.
I completely disagree with your entire post, but at least you spelled out your reasons and told us all why you believe what you believe. For you, I can respectfully agree to disagree. For Craig? I'd like to jam his face into a rhino's brown-round.
PearlWatson
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Homosexual couples can already do that without being married.
Really? I thought it was against the law in at least some states.
I'm not convinced you really looked at the links in any sort of detail. It took you 40 minutes to read my post, follow the links and all of their resources and links for their research, and thought through and typed up your post. I'm not buying that you didn't just follow the links for a cursory look so you could have some token word to use as you said it was wrong.
Family is the fundamental unit of society, and attempting to change what the word means does not change the nature of what family is. Do you think grandparents, uncles, cousins, etc are not part of a family? You have your direct family, and you have extended family. I would respond to you that you are being dumb, and intentionally trying to find some lame way to not understand what I am saying. Answer me this, what is the fundamental unit of society if it is not family?
Finding pleasure in things can definitely be a selfish endeavor. You don't think animals find sex pleasurable?
Link 1 - Ok, throw out that stat. I will also throw it out. I apologize for not mentioning I put the stats up more to show that homosexuality does have an affect on society. An argument has been made that homosexuality does not affect society, I say it does.
Link 2 - New understanding of the genetic code? Everything I've read shows there is still quite a debate on that, and that even those that want it to be true have not been able to prove it. You are reaching.
Link 3 - Why don't you just go ahead and find those studies and post them if you are that sure. I posted it because I'm showing some of the different ways homosexuality affects society and individuals that make up society.
Link 4 & 5 - see 1 and 3 again.
Link 6 - Is the link about American mormon vs mormon, or is the link about rates for homosexual individuals vs non homosexual individuals? Stay on topic.
You tell me if there is research that can determine if the rates are high because they are homosexual or if the rates are high for homosexuals because socially more homosexuals are forced to take meth. I'm not even sure it's possible to split the social factors common with homosexuals, from the homosexual individuals themselves. I could be wrong, but I would think not.... or it would be extremely difficult and iffy.
And it would be better for a kid to be with a decent gay couple than with an abusive mother and/or father.
It would still be better for a kid to be with their birth parents if those parents truly loved them and cared for them as parents should than with a gay couple no matter how decent of people they are.
Think about doing this in real life. What do you think of those that act this way?
https://www.cnn.com/2012/02/08/us/washington-same-sex-marriage/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Craig getting more mad.
Craig getting more mad.
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GAYS ARE NOT OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM FOLKS! We gotta dig deep, and fight our mortal enemies! It is time for the second crusade, we are losing our war on terrorism everyone!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kKkY5EpVpY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovUwG34kuEc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trQysyPz7lE
Let us stop this cult!
GAYS ARE NOT OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM FOLKS! We gotta dig deep, and fight our mortal enemies! It is time for the second crusade, we are losing our war on terrorism everyone!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kKkY5EpVpY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovUwG34kuEc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trQysyPz7lE
Let us stop this cult!
Based upon the 14th Amendment - Equal Protection. Personally, I don't really understand why this should be anyone's business let alone a political issue.
And Ute fans.
Seriously, your post made me laugh. Did you chose to like girls? I don't believe little kids have the knowledge or understanding to make a choice about what they are attracted to. One day usually at a very young age your specific appendage comes to attention when it views an attractive girl. There is no choice it simply who you are. The choice comes when you decide to have sex. Not what gender you are naturally attracted to. Besides the fact there are plenty of "screw-ups" at birth if you believe GOD has some control of how people are. Why are people born blind, birth defects etc? Why would god do that if he doesn't make mistakes?
I love when religious people use Sodom and Gomorrah as a reason why we better watch out. God is going to fry gays or sinful people. I recall the story (not that I believe it) had more to do with the unchristian like behavior of the city inhabitants which including judging others, not helping people and many other things. Christians use it as justification to bash Gays.
Why are you assuming that all gays are miserable? I know several gay people and they are some of the most balanced people I know. I highly doubt sexual orientation has little to do with happiness. Why are you so concerned about what Gays do? And Heterosexuals are miserable. Why the high rate of Prozac in Utah?
It is obvious that you don't like people "hating on your religion". So what is wrong with people dissing your religious beliefs (for many people who think religion is ridiculous) or what is wrong with us making laws against you practicing it. I am sure you would whine all day if people didn't allow you to go to church on Sunday. Many people find your religion immoral and against God's teaching. It is a choice. No one made you choose religion. Let's get a Proposition going to get rid of Mormons.
You are entitled to your opinions just like everyone else. However, you have no right to take away someone 's rights either. This is why the law found prop 8 unconstitutional. Funny how conservatives talked about the constitution only when it fits their ideas. There have been a lot of votes that have been found unconstitutional that is why we have the Court system. See the world would be better if you just believed what you do and live your life the way you want and allow the same for others. All the other stuff is just your opinion which is based in believe and not fact.
Cocaine
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So much rep to give out, so little time.
It is probably a mix of choice and environmental factors as to if you "like girls" or boys for that matter. It may take just a kiss for a boy that likes a girl to "come to attention" as you put it, but an older man that has been watching porn and other extreme sex junk would take a whole lot more than a kiss for him to "come to attention". There is a whole lot more to this than, "it's genetic". Do you have a father figure? Who is this father figure, how does he treat women, how does he treat you, do you have a mother figure, who is she and how does she treat you, do you look to them as an example, do you have it in your mind to be nothing like them.... there are tons of factors that affect who each individual is and that includes "sexual preference".
As to why people are born blind and why God would do that if he doesn't make mistakes. Understanding things like that is a step by step process of first understanding who God is, what are his attributes, and all of that. Then understanding why humans are on the earth and what we have to do or learn while here. Understanding those things gets our feet on the path to understanding your questions, but it is also not an answer that is as simple as yes, no, or because.
As to the court system. It is as flawed, or more flawed than citizens voting on whether something is constitutional or not. The constitution is for the people and by the people. If the people say something is constitutional or not, then it is what they say. A judge, or a few judges will have just as subjective of an opinion but the decision will lie with a few, rather than with many. Sometimes checks and balances take away a bad decision and turn it into a good one, sometimes they take away a good decision and turn it into a bad one. My main though is "for the people and by the people".
