2011 NBA Free Agent List

[jazzmeister]

Yeah, no need to spend money for the sake of spending it. If Earl Watson leaves, then we need a backup point guard. That's an immediate need in my opinion. Other then that I like the youth. It's just going to take playing time and experience. I don't want us singing any players that will hinder the growth and development of the youth/talent we have now.

 

[GVC]

I would love to see his efficiency totals when he catches the ball at 8 feet. He's flat out unguardable that close.

He averaged only 0.89 points per possession in post ups (this includes points from free throws), which is right around league average in post up situations, and well below league average for overall points per possession. Additionally, since his passes out of the post rarely lead to better shots for his teammates (they all too often require the Jazz to reset the offense with little time left on the shot clock), these post up opportunities are even less effective.

But the myth of Al's magical low post ability will live on indefinitely...

 

[billyshelby]

He averaged only 0.89 points per possession in post ups (this includes points from free throws), which is right around league average in post up situations, and well below league average for overall points per possession. Additionally, since his passes out of the post rarely lead to better shots for his teammates (they all too often require the Jazz to reset the offense with little time left on the shot clock), these post up opportunities are even less effective.

But the myth of Al's magical low post ability will live on indefinitely...

Do I need to break out your own statistics and paddle you again? Al put up numbers that were right in line with Gasol, Randolph, and several of the premier 4's. Your silly stat lists guys like Barnagni as an elite post scorer. So if Gasol and Randolph are average post players, then I guess Al is, too.

 

[GVC]

Do I need to break out your own statistics and paddle you again? Al put up numbers that were right in line with Gasol, Randolph, and several of the premier 4's. Your silly stat lists guys like Barnagni as an elite post scorer. So if Gasol and Randolph are average post players, then I guess Al is, too.

You never paddled me the first time. Stop living in 1974. If the low post is used effectively to open up the floor for other players, draw fouls, and put pressure on the defense, it's fine. The low post has not been an efficient place to get points absent these considerations in years for all but a handful of players, Jefferson included. Unfortunately, not only has Al never shown an ability to make his teammates better, he's been a perfect example of a player that makes his teammates worse throughout his career. On offense, all he sees is the ball and the basket, on defense all he sees is his man, and he's in no hurry to get up or down the court. All the data points to these statements being true. Very little data supports the converse being true.

If he comes back in piss poor shape again, and sucks through the first half of the season, what then?

 

[GVC]

and Pau Gasol? Give me a ****ing break. Without even considering his elite team play, the dude averages 1.05 points per possession. Jefferson comes in at 0.99, which represents a pretty damn significant dropoff (Pau's also superior in postups).

And my point isn't that he's terrible, it's that he's not nearly as good as many seem to think he is. He's far from elite at anything. He's not good enough to build a team around, and if Favors and Kanter develop, he's probably the fourth best big man on the Jazz roster, while getting paid at least twice as much as the three better than him.

 

[billyshelby]

You never paddled me the first time. Stop living in 1974. If the low post is used effectively to open up the floor for other players, draw fouls, and put pressure on the defense, it's fine. The low post has not been an efficient place to get points absent these considerations in years for all but a handful of players, Jefferson included. Unfortunately, not only has Al never shown an ability to make his teammates better, he's been a perfect example of a player that makes his teammates worse throughout his career. On offense, all he sees is the ball and the basket, on defense all he sees is his man, and he's in no hurry to get up or down the court. All the data points to these statements being true. Very little data supports the converse being true.

If he comes back in piss poor shape again, and sucks through the first half of the season, what then?

Nice dodge on the stats. I've read this rant before. Cue the TS% and adj. +/- stats response to extrapolate conclusions based on a player you, by your own admission, rarely saw during his 2 month stretch at the end of last season. And repeat.

 

[helifool]

I think we very obviously need a sg/sf that will stretch the floor thats not named Raja.

My number one pick up would be Shane Battier perfect character/need for the jazz. Second would be Wilson Chandler.

Oh and how could we go wrong with picking up arron afflalo.

 

[GVC]

Nice dodge on the stats. I've read this rant before. Cue the TS% and adj. +/- stats response to extrapolate conclusions based on a player you, by your own admission, rarely saw during his 2 month stretch at the end of last season. And repeat.

Cue the "you can ignore 7 years of evidence in favor of a good two month stretch" and "I watched him more than you, therefore I'm right and you're wrong" ********.

Have you ever considered, even for a second, that his inefficient, poor team play his first seven seasons, rather than his good stretch the last couple months of last season, represent what Big Al is as a player, and not the other way around?

Again, what if he comes back next season in poor shape and plays like he has for the majority of his career? Are you going to wait 5 years for him to develop as you have for CJ?

Big Al, if we're being honest about his contributions, is the odd man out right now. I hope he comes back better than ever (but, unlike you and many others, I hope the same for Millsap), but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[billyshelby]

and Pau Gasol? Give me a ****ing break. Without even considering his elite team play, the dude averages 1.05 points per possession. Jefferson comes in at 0.99, which represents a pretty damn significant dropoff (Pau's also superior in postups).

And my point isn't that he's terrible, it's that he's not nearly as good as many seem to think he is. He's far from elite at anything. He's not good enough to build a team around, and if Favors and Kanter develop, he's probably the fourth best big man on the Jazz roster, while getting paid at least twice as much as the three better than him.

According to your previous list, Gasol is .91. Al is .89. Randolph .90. KLove .91. Howard .93.

 

[billyshelby]

Cue the "you can ignore 7 years of evidence in favor of a good two month stretch" and "I watched him more than you, therefore I'm right and you're wrong" ********.

Have you ever considered that his stretch of good play at the end of last season, and not his play the 7 season prior, was the aberration?

In 07/08, Al averaged 21 and 11 with a 22.8 PER playing all 82 games.
In 08/09, Al was averaging 23 and 11 with a 23.1 PER in the 50 games before he got hurt.

But I guess that "stretch" of 132 games doesn't count. Let me guess: The TWolves lost which means he was hurting the team with his performance.

 

[GVC]

According to your previous list, Gasol is .91. Al is .89. Randolph .90. KLove .91. Howard .93.

That was in postup situations only, I think. My above post is for all possessions. Regardless, the two are on completely different levels as players. Pau is head and shoulders above Jefferson as an NBA player. The comparison is stupid.

 

[GVC]

In 07/08, Al averaged 21 and 11 with a 22.8 PER playing all 82 games.
In 08/09, Al was averaging 23 and 11 with a 23.1 PER in the 50 games before he got hurt.

But I guess that "stretch" of 132 games doesn't count. Let me guess: The TWolves lost which means he was hurting the team with his performance.

PER says very little about team and transition play (and rewards volume), and thus oversells Jefferson's contributions. Since he's roughly average scoring the basketball, what else does he bring to the table to help his team and teammates win basketball games?