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2024-25 Trade Rumors Thread

Elizah Huge said:
This. Collin has plenty of say in where he re-signs. This was one of my thoughts that will be on the podcast tonight.
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Yeah, generally I don't think nuking a player's value is great if you plan on re-signing him. He will have less value, but what are the chances of the player wanting to re-sign? If the Jazz thought Sexton was a big part of their future, they probably wouldn't be nuking his value in the first place.

So Sexton is likely to expire and leave....or we trade him. His value is probably not great right now, but it will never get better.
 
HermanG said:
Questions 2 and 3 have a logical conflict if you look at them from the perspective of FO viewing Sexton as "6th man".

If Sexton's market value goes down as a result of his role being reduced (to 6th man), then doesnt that drop his expected future salary and make it more likely that we re-sign him?

So if they view Collin as 6th man and want him long term on a deal not too rich for a 6th man, then they cant give him the keys, can they?
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It seems a bit tinfoil hat but they could try to sign extend him to a MLE type extension next summer if they keep him at 18 mins off the bench. Obviously he wants to win so not sure he'd be down with it after such a blatant tanking season. Hardy has been really hard yanking him around moreso than any other player on the roster the past few years.

They could deal him to a playoff team that is desperate for scoring (Denver? Dallas?) but those type teams don't have anything good to trade to the Jazz. Sexton's value will be non existant anyway if they keep him in a role similar to last night's game.

In general just getting a bit frustrated how they are handling their "assets." Even Kessler's value seemed to be rock bottom after the way he was managed last season. If they were truly interested in developing any of these young guys should've brought in a vet PG that isn't completely washed like Patty.

Oh well, we were all screaming for them to pick a direction. Hopefully Flagg, Ace, or Dybantsa ultimately end up playing for the Jazz.

FWIW the Blazers are in a similar situation with Simons. Very good youngish dynamic offensive player but there are apparently no FRP's floating around in a deal for these types of smaller scoring guards. At least Collin is on a more reasonable contract so I think Ainge as a better chance of moving him than Portland does with Simons.
 
HeatCheck said:
It seems a bit tinfoil hat but they could try to sign extend him to a MLE type extension next summer if they keep him at 18 mins off the bench. Obviously he wants to win so not sure he'd be down with it after such a blatant tanking season. Hardy has been really hard yanking him around moreso than any other player on the roster the past few years.

They could deal him to a playoff team that is desperate for scoring (Denver? Dallas?) but those type teams don't have anything good to trade to the Jazz. Sexton's value will be non existant anyway if they keep him in a role similar to last night's game.

In general just getting a bit frustrated how they are handling their "assets." Even Kessler's value seemed to be rock bottom after the way he was managed last season. If they were truly interested in developing any of these young guys should've brought in a vet PG that isn't completely washed like Patty.

Oh well, we were all screaming for them to pick a direction. Hopefully Flagg, Ace, or Dybantsa ultimately end up playing for the Jazz.

FWIW the Blazers are in a similar situation with Simons. Very good youngish dynamic offensive player but there are apparently no FRP's floating around in a deal for these types of smaller scoring guards. At least Collin is on a more reasonable contract so I think Ainge as a better chance of moving him than Portland does with Simons.
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There's so many good players on tanking teams. Looking at teams like BKN and POR.....they definitely want to tank but they have like 3-5 decent vets in their way. It's going to be hard to find destinations for all of them.
 
KqWIN said:
It is true that more they tank him, the less his next contract will be. I just don't see the need for a 6th man right now. We cleansed pretty much every vet (besides Lauri and the negative contracts) and I like that approach. If they're just going to bench Sexton, he's like Beasley, Vando, KO, Simone ect. Non critical players who are better served on a team not tanking.

Being able to re-sign a player you already don't like much for cheaper doesn't seem like a great way to manage things. Collin has a say in this as well. He's been a good soldier, but it's a really bad situation for him as well. If I were his agent, I'd be telling him to go elsewhere. I'm not sure either party wants to continue the relationship even at a lower number.
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They wanted to keep some vets around, that much is clear. Sexton works hard and is liked by his teammates, so maybe they felt like he was a better option to keep than those mentioned? Or maybe they didnt get serious offers?

Playing him in a key role with high volumes and bright green light only makes sense if you:
A) Want to develop him into such role or
B) Want to trade him and maximize his value
If we give him all the leeway and make him a centerpiece he may produce big numbers and become the famous "good player on a bad team".

Also my theory isnt that they dont like Sexton. It is that they do, but not at 30M+ or whatever the limit may be.
 
KqWIN said:
There's so many good players on tanking teams. Looking at teams like BKN and POR.....they definitely want to tank but they have like 3-5 decent vets in their way. It's going to be hard to find destinations for all of them.
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And the top teams that would be buyers are kinda tapped out on assets a bit. The ones that have stuff its like their last shot at adding someone.
 
HermanG said:
They wanted to keep some vets around, that much is clear. Sexton works hard and is liked by his teammates, so maybe they felt like he was a better option to keep than those mentioned? Or maybe they didnt get serious offers?

Playing him in a key role with high volumes and bright green light only makes sense if you:
A) Want to develop him into such role or
B) Want to trade him and maximize his value
If we give him all the leeway and make him a centerpiece he may produce big numbers and become the famous "good player on a bad team".

Also my theory isnt that they dont like Sexton. It is that they do, but not at 30M+ or whatever the limit may be.
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I say give him the opportunity to prove himself to be more or trade him. You aren't forced to give him a bad contract if it turns out he's a good stats, bad team guy. Maybe they do value him as a 6th man on an appropriate contract, I just don't think we need that guy right now. Like I said earlier, if that's all you think he is then he fits in the buckets of all the vets we got rid of in the past two seasons. Benching him and nuking his value in the hopes of resigning him to less two years from now just isn't great asset management. Sexton is unrestricted. Doing damage to a player's career in hopes of signing him for less isn't a realistic strategy imo. The path we're on is a direct route to Sexton walking in two years and the only thing we got for it was missing lotto balls.

Before the season, I thought of Sexton in the same boat as Kessler. He's a positive player that will hurt the tank, but he has the potential to be more and thus it is worth giving him a shot. They had the potential to improve their value and/or become a big piece in the long term future. Did I truly believe either would get there? Probably not, but I could see how someone might think so and it was worth it to give them that chance. With the way they're treating him, I now see Sexton more like John Collins. He can only be a good backup, and we simply don't need good backups at this stage. If we could get value for Collins, we'd take it in a heartbeat. If we get value for Sexton, I think we should also take it. Good vets that help you win belong on good teams, not on tanking teams. You can always sign another Patty Mills for veteran presence.
 
As far as actual Sexton trade destinations, I like CHO and DET the best because it would potentially knock out a tank competitor. Two birds with one stone. LAL, MIL, and NYK are all teams who have had rumored interest in the past IIRC. Sexton is a Clutch client. Other teams that might make sense if you squint: ORL, ATL, NOP, LAC, SAS

An example CHO trade:

Micic+Martin+MIA 27 (protected 1-14 in 27 and unprotected in 28) for Sexton

This is the exact pick that CHO got for Rozier.
 
YoungJefe said:
Playing two tiny guards isn't ideal and he's the only other guard we have that you can trust to be the primary ball handler with the second unit

I'd imagine that we'll see countless lineups this season just to see if we can find a trade to get rid of them
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FIFY
 
KqWIN said:
And all these players basically have the same warts. If you were to tell me what's wrong with them as players, you'd say the same thing. They're all ballhogs, chuckers, can't play defense, etc. Fair criticisms of Sexton, but also fair criticisms of the other options. Truthfully, the only thing that I can come up with that separates Sexton from Key/Clarkson is that he's actually efficient.

If the Jazz really don't believe in him, just move on. Current situation benefits no one.
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I would add that Sexton differentiates himself in a positive way by being a dog. He doesn’t have the body or other natural talent for defense, but no one can say he’s not committed to being the best version of himself he can be. I’d keep Sexton out of all of them at this point, but yeah, if the Jazz feel the opposite then they should cash out sooner than later.
 
If this Redick honeymoon phase cools down I think the Lakers might actually be willing to play ball. The Jazz could send back either Clarkson or Sexton to match salaries along with Kessler in a Russell deal.

We have a lot of crap picks. I want some premium picks and the distant Lakers picks would be a great start.
 
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