Are there any Kanter apologists left? What are they saying?
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Stifle Tower
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LOL. Jazz didn't "abuse" Kanter. The ONLY season you can complain about playing time is his second. But he was given the starter's job on a platter last year. And again this season. He was playing 27 mins/per. Would he have developed a defensive game if he was playing 33-35? No. Kanter and all you Kanter-lovers have to look in the mirror. Enes didn't WANT to concentrate on defense. We all thought Richard Jefferson was such an idiot when he left last season. In hindsight he was probably right about Enes saying defense wasn't important.
That wasn't their only choices, they could have kept Favors and Milsap as starters beings how Milsap was already good enough to be an all star in the east and then if Kanter wasn't happy about it then they could have traded him and got more value in return. As far as Burks go, if the Jazz had Milsap then they might not of offered Burks the type of money they offered him.
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Yeah, yeah. Sure. I am tired of repeating all the same things all over again. See my posting from here.
Picking the "27" minutes but without looking closely, is the problem. This year he was benched so often and Snyder made his rotations, even he was on fire. But hold back when others were on fire.
And This is his 4th year. I talked about the 3 years before. If these years weren't wasted, now in his 4th year we wouldn't talk about his sucking in defensive game. He didn't want to concentrate on defense?
After season 1 or 2 he was ripped like Ibaka but yet nobody cared (he was in this sports center for bulking up).
Because someone is ripped they should be excused for sucking at defense?
I wish Jazz got a tad more in the deal (i.e., McGary or Lamb), but it is proving to be a good move for both teams, which makes it a solid trade. Kanter will become the Jeff Ruland or Antoine Carr (with a better offensive game) that he was supposed to be in Utah. OKC can easily keep Kanter, especially because Perkins and Jackson are gone. They'll have the $10-12m needed to re-sign him. He won't get a max deal from anyone. Utah wasn't the right fit, but that doesn't mean that he was a bust or not a good player. If Sloan was the Coach still in Utah, Kanter would have been a 20-10 guy in Utah and the closest thing a combination of Okur meets Malone.
gregbroncs
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You are forgetting that they also would not have drafted Exum or Hood. They would have been better not drafting top 5 and they would not have had the 2nd pick.
Dude, can you read and understand sentences?
Did I say something like that? The guy said Kanter didn't care for defense, and I tried to prove him wrong with saying, the one off-season he bulked up so much to be able to play better the defensive game.
It is not an excuse for sucking at defense. The excuse is, 3 years Jazz had the time to teach him some defense, Utah didn't. But sayin Kanter didn't care is funny and not true.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
Did you expect a guy who hadn't played in a year to get 30 mins/per as a rookie? He got 13, which is the same Gobert got his rookie season (except Rudy got a lot of DNP-CD's). Kanter played in all 66 games (it was the strike-shortened season). Next season I concede he should have played 20+ instead of 15/per. But don't tell me he didn't benefit a TON by working on his moves with Big Al. Year 3: Jazz make the HUGE commitment to Enes by letting Big Al go. Enes repays them by SUCKING on defense. He's SO bad they move him to the 2nd unit...but still have him getting his normal minutes (27/per). Late in the season he's again starting. This year they stick by him AGAIN. He was NOT benched so often. Snyder had him starting. Sure, there were some times Gobert might go in for defense. But there were times Rudy was then pulled out and Kanter put back in for offense.
And being ripped? What in the hell does that have to do with basketball? You have to be in shape, yes. But more muscle mass does not automatically make you a better player. Kanter had a ton of chances to shine. His desire to NOT play defensively was what held him back. Look, Favors had the SAME coaches. Why did he not SUCK at defense if it is the coaches' fault? Derrick manned up and put forth the effort. Kanter was all about offense. Any excuses he or Ergul makes is just B.S. What it comes down to is he was beaten out by a HUNGRIER player. One who was concerned with how he could make the TEAM better, not just pad his stats.
That's the reason why he got shredded? You have personal contact with this fool?
Personally, I don't think he fails to care about defense, nor did the Jazz fail in teaching him defense - he just sucks at it. He is incredibly slow both moving and reacting and will never be a plus defender. That's okay, some players just aren't meant to be good defenders in the NBA. I rather like not having him on the Jazz anymore because teams would just mercilessly run the PNR at him and score basket after basket. It will be interesting to see how the Thunder handle this if Kanter plays in the playoffs. Maybe Westbrook and Ibaka will be enough to cover up the gaping holes Kanter creates on defense.
Darkwing Duck
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Can we trade NAOS for a Clutchfan and a Foreigner-who's-a-fan-of-his/her-countryman to be named later?
Or is that not equivalent value?
Or is that not equivalent value?