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You are right about bragging rights, but I do not believe having a badass gun is the catalyst for any shooters making that decision. I think it is their mental state so they are going to use the weapons available to them. Sure it might make a difference in a very small percentage, but take the guy who shot up the theater in Colorado. There are records of him meeting with a psychiatrist who indicated he was obsessed with killing a lot of people and had been obsessing about it for years and years. He bought 3 different weapons, a glock, a tactical shotgun, and an AR 15 looking gun. But if he had homicidal ideation for a decade and was that obsessed I really doubt that restricting him to a hunting version of the same rifle would have mattered. He wouldn't have thought "well I want to kill a lot of people and I have been planning it for a decade, but since I can't get a cool gun I guess I will call it off". I guess my point is that it isn't your buddies at work bragging about their assault rifles carrying out these shootings, it is people usually with severe mental health issues that are doing it. It is anything but rational.
Pretty clear, even today, where shooters go off on any public venue, it's abnormalities, not characteristic of our population. Mental is the clear cause more than even political extremists of any kind. But we do need to evaluate each case for some terrorist or political connection. No effort will be made by our media to correlate this event with either immigration trends or radical political association or religious indoctrination.

We have resisted assertions that it's video gaming,, any media genre, any kind of music, any kind of pharmaceutical, any family or educational factor. We have seen so many cases of such events where the shooter would pass any present or future model of evaluation or qualifying restriction on purchase or possession.

But I think there is one statistic that should be looked at seriously. These shootings are much less frequent in places where people can legally carry guns, and in places where there is any kind of security personnel on site. I know the whole load about other nations where it's not like this country. But inside the US, there is that statistic differentiating the sites chosen by shooters.

Another statistic might be considered. Teaching secular humanism without a protected right to express faith in God in public places, particularly in schools. Teaching any modern philosophy in schools is equivalent to teaching a religion in school. Specifically excluding a philosophy where there is a higher moral authority invoked is likely a big part of the mental state that triggers shooters. Well, except specific beliefs that teach zealots to kill unbelievers. Other countries have more serious kinds of dissidents, more organized kinds of "resistance" to majorities, and maybe less statist propaganda. Dunno 'bout that. Authoritative governments come in all kinds, most of them much better supported by the people than our feuding parties. Probably a much better general sense of identity that accepts others better, and provokes less individual dysfunctional mentalities.

Any state-sanctioned belief system is worse than any religion or private personal mode of belief, or even a private group mode., except perhaps some intolerant religions that incite believers to kill or devalue non-believers. Any state-sanctioned social normative agenda is going to create "outsiders" or "dissidents": or other forms of estranged dysfunctional phenomena in some individuals. I believe, if you really looked into it, almost all shooters like this are "out theres" figuring they don't fit in or aren't accepted or "otherized" somehow, and with maybe some pharmaceuticals or malnourishment of some kind affecting some site in their brains that suspends normal inhibition against antisocial outbreaks.

All said, I think somehow, mental has be the big picture on this problem.
 
Teaching secular humanism without a protected right to express faith in God in public places, particularly in schools.
I don't recall any secular humanism textbooks my kids had to read. What part of the curriculum is secular humanism taught in?
 
Where the present administration declares homegrown terrorism their number one threat.

Of course we can stop this, but it will not be by the methods of political suppression, political indoctrination, and mass media propaganda. Or gun control. That all adds up to creating dysfunctional mentalities.

More productive than political suppression, let's look at coercive modes of public education that create unaccepted "outsiders" on the personal scale, dietary and pharmaceutical practices where there is a link to mental health, sociological factors like public policies creating conditions that break up families and institutionalized poverty...... like many "liberal" big government policies do.

Double dare you. Ask questions about shooters beliefs, background, connections, friends, influencers. Do the complete profile of the shooter. Thorough investigation.

Double damn!!! This guy is from Yemen, trained by Iranian operatives, politically indoctrinated fascist/marxist, been visited by the FBI already twenty times, with an inch-thick dossier, illegal immigrant. OK ,that is a hypothesis so far. prove me wrong.

Funny how this all stopped the year of Covid when the media was focused on dislodging Trump. Even though people were more torqued mentally, generally. But slap a gun bill on the table in Congress, and we get one of these every day, with a full court media press.
I don't recall any secular humanism textbooks my kids had to read. What part of the curriculum is secular humanism taught in?
There is no textbook where secular humanism is objectively analyzed and discussed. A glaring insufficiency in public education. But it is inherent in our late 20th, 21st and so far 22nd century culture. It began in the US with classical education rising above religious education, then the idea of having no State Religion federally. Within a few decades most individual states more or less moved that way, with the rise of Science posited vis a vis Religion.

Obviously, the Constitution did not keep up with good idea of restraining the Government from pushing state-sanctioned beliefs. Even state-sanctioned "Science" is a bad idea.
 
All right folks.

I am giving up. No more ideological Molotov cocktails from me on this thread.

Did I do any good like actually slow down anyone just enough for a second thought?

Carry on.
 
You're pretty wrong. The US is number 1 (of course) in guns per capita. #2 is the Falkland Islands (remember them?) with just over half as many as we do. Canada is way down below 1/3.


I found that link too. Then I looked at the military guns. US has a few million more than China. 39M-34M if you care to believe that. Means China's 100M-man "army" of unmarried aging men, if they marched on the US from their docks near LA, would begin with one gun per 3 soldiers. Our forces would all have one at least. Less than 200k troops stationed in CA.
So lets say all the Chinese container ships were stuffs with men,oh 50 per container. They could unload 100k soldiers at San Pedro inside an hour. I'm counting say five container ships in process unloading ,each with 2000 containers. And maybe over 100,000 already deployed falsely as immigrants.

ya gotta do some math.

The Chinese do math like this.

bad math. It makes inscrutable Chinese generals furrow their brows.

Even if Obama's commie generals who run our military, and Obama's commie "intelligence" staffers all showed up with bouquets of flowers, there are still hundreds of millions of American guns in American hands, and every mile of the Chinese drive would be contested from oh one house on every street, one RV about every mile of road.

I think Xi would rather hand over some special cash to Biden or McConnell, and just let them strut around in goofy garb with medals and glory.

Their marching orders, beyond all question, are to go get those damn American guns.

you know, this is all nonsense because, as every reader of Foreign Affairs knows already, The New World Order is the multilateral scheme where we trust China to be the top dog, surrounded by India, Japan, South Korea, and Viet Nam. A sort of containment vessel that outnumbers China about 2 to 1 if you include the Philippines, Taiwan, and Indonesia, and is militarily superior still if you include the United States via existing treaties. And China has a population implosion coming, where all those extra men are dying off childless. It's a short term "use them before you lose them" equation for China. The United States is likely to surpass China in population inside 40 years. And we have all these immigrant kids who will be given guns if need be.

Modern US slave trade being pushed by Pelosi and Biden and billionaires who want underthetable labor. We make them work for nothing, put them on the guvmint dole for benefits paid by taxpayers. Then, we have soldiers, too, when we need them. Cannon fodder.

ya know, our movers and shakers got this all figured good.

This weeks article on how Britain has gotta accept becoming a mid-level power is a bit concerning. The British Commonwealth includes Canada, Australia, New Zealand. Not sure about the Falklands. I think it's still Brit and bristling with guns.

The really serious question here is how North Korea has 17M military guns, half as many as the US.
 
This is a fair question, my wife and I do everything but run for local office. We attend group meetings that support sensible gun legislation, we donate hundreds annually to candidates and groups that support sensible gun legislation, we call and email our local officials probably at least once a quarter, and we have yet to miss a single caucus and election in our married life (we've been married for 6 years). Since my wife and I are very pro-life and believe that being pro-life entails much more than forcing a woman to give birth, we are very active with the group, "Moms Demand Action." Enter this link to learn more about them and the sensible gun reforms they've successfully helped lobby for.

Unfortunately, since we live in Utah and in Utah's 4th congressional district, our ability to really change anything is extremely limited due to the Senate structure and the way Utah allows gerrymandering. You see, Utah provides just as many Senate candidates as California, despite California having nearly 10x the population. And unlike California which has outlawed gerrymandering and has an independent commission that draws the congressional maps, Utah's own legislature controlled by Republicans draws up the maps. So as you can see below, the 4th is gerrymandered like ****. I mean, you tell me why people in West Valley City should be packed into a district with people from Fountain Green?

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I’m glad to “hear” it.

And I agree with you about the gerrymandering.


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Although those guns are similar functionally one of those guns makes gun nuts wet in their vaginas and gives them fever dreams of killing a bunch of bad guys (or libs) and the other one is used sometimes by hunters.
Are those two guns the same price? If not, why arent they the same price? Why do people love to show off one of those two guns but not the other one? When there are shootings how come we never see the first gun being used? Why do we always see militia types carrying the second gun around rather than the first?

Although those guns are similar one of them is treated much differently and perceived much differently than the other which does matter imo.


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I own one of each and I can honestly tell you the touching, holding, or firing the second one does not make me “wet my vagina” or “have fever dreams of killing bad guys”. While I don’t consider myself a “gun nut”, I think a lot of people would. I currently own 6 different firearms and I have a total of approximately 4000-5000 rounds of ammo. Does that make me a gun nut?
I do agree with you that the second is treated and perceived much differently than the first.


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