Convince Me

[Stoked]

He's attacked me on a personal level too.

I forgot about that. Tbh

 

[Stoked]

Hate is indeed the key word. It means "feel intense or passionate dislike", apparently. The Thriller is certainly passionate, as his voluminous posting and willingness to defend every word of it shows, and he does express a strong dislike. So I agree that he hates "the right", and certain politicians on the right.

The more interesting question is whether, and to what degree, his hate is misplaced, wrongly aimed, or unfair.

Individually it can be fair. People like Trump, and McConnell, are deserving. Are they not? But 10s of millions? When you know nothing about them? Not even their names?

How is that not a major red flag?

 

[gandalfe]

Individually it can be fair. People like Trump, and McConnell, are deserving. Are they not? But 10s of millions? When you know nothing about them? Not even their names?

How is that not a major red flag?

You certainly don't know whether or not they support someone who brags about assaulting women and defends white supremacists. Oh, wait...

 

[Stoked]

You certainly don't know whether or not they support someone who brags about assaulting women and defends white supremacists. Oh, wait...

So you hate all the Trump supporters you do know? The friends, family members or coworkers that support him? They’re all worthy of hate?

 

[Red]

So you hate all the Trump supporters you do know? The friends, family members or coworkers that support him? They’re all worthy of hate?

Speaking for myself, nope. My best friend voted for Trump. And my friend is a very good man. Strong moral compass. Goes out of his way to help people, and in so many ways. During the 2016 campaign, we had a couple of rather heated exchanges. We both came to an unspoken agreement to never talk politics with each other again. I've often wondered how he feels about policies that Trump has implemented that I know my friend has to be aghast at, I'm thinking specifically of environmental policies. But I will not ask him.

I believe, and we had a thread here about this a few years ago, that liberals and conservatives have fundamentally different psychologies. There may even be differences in brain structure. Several studies in that specific aspect. My point being that in the age old nature vs. nurture debate, some of our differences may be by nature. I grew up, and have always lived, in one of America's liberal bastions. But the rural areas of my tiny state are conservative. And it would not take much study to realize part of our great divide is in fact a rural vs. urban divide. These things I mention might be considered in trying to understand why we are living at a time when American vs American is the predominant theme.

I think Thriller does alienate those who don't share his beliefs, and it never helps to belittle or attack personally one's opponent. I know I have certainly slipped at times, in that regard. But, like it or not, politics is the art of compromise. We should regain that realization before we are literally at each other's throats.

 

[gandalfe]

So you hate all the Trump supporters you do know? The friends, family members or coworkers that support him? They’re all worthy of hate?

That's a radical interpretation of the text.

 

[Hotdog]

That's a radical interpretation of the text.

Weird. So now you dont support radical interpretation of speech?

Just one second ago you had no problem radicalizing what Trump has said.

 

[Archie Moses]

Speaking for myself, nope. My best friend voted for Trump. And my friend is a very good man. Strong moral compass. Goes out of his way to help people, and in so many ways. During the 2016 campaign, we had a couple of rather heated exchanges. We both came to an unspoken agreement to never talk politics with each other again. I've often wondered how he feels about policies that Trump has implemented that I know my friend has to be aghast at, I'm thinking specifically of environmental policies. But I will not ask him.

I believe, and we had a thread here about this a few years ago, that liberals and conservatives have fundamentally different psychologies. There may even be differences in brain structure. Several studies in that specific aspect. My point being that in the age old nature vs. nurture debate, some of our differences may be by nature. I grew up, and have always lived, in one of America's liberal bastions. But the rural areas of my tiny state are conservative. And it would not take much study to realize part of our great divide is in fact a rural vs. urban divide. These things I mention might be considered in trying to understand why we are living at a time when American vs American is the predominant theme.

I think Thriller does alienate those who don't share his beliefs, and it never helps to belittle or attack personally one's opponent. I know I have certainly slipped at times, in that regard. But, like it or not, politics is the art of compromise. We should regain that realization before we are literally at each other's throats.

This is a really good post imo.

 

[gandalfe]

Weird. So now you dont support radical interpretation of speech?

Just one second ago you had no problem radicalizing what Trump has said.

A) I never said "Trump". The fact that you knew that's who I was talking about about really says a lot about him, doesn't it?
B) "I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it, you can do anything ... grab them by the *****. You can do anything."
C) “Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. And you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides.”

 

[babe]

Weird. So now you dont support radical interpretation of speech?

Just one second ago you had no problem radicalizing what Trump has said.

Sorry if I missed most of this. Only read the first page of this thread.

I spend most of my time in heavily Dem, even radical socialist enclaves. I do business with lots of Thrillers. I need to understand how they are functioning.

Thriller is not unusual for his passion or commitment. He is in the education field where he deals with a lot of bias against him from his students, I'm sure..... being in Utah. I've known people with "Utah Fever" for decades. "Utah Fever" is a sense of frustration and isolation that develops from being in Utah, dealing with conservatives..... well, sort of conservatives..... people who are really "volunteer socialists" who believe it's just evil managers that make progressive socialism go rotten. It's fine for people to work together, to all think the same stuff, and be told what to do and why. Anyone who doesn't get the "True Authority" schema is just so much the outsider.

It's enough to make you go nuts, if you're not "in the right crowd".

In the Bay area, anyone who isn't in "the right crowd" is just irrelevant, a moron, blind, stupid, or uninformed. Someone who needs to be taught, and expected to accept the true light. Pity instead of frustration, or "hate".
Mormonism is the birthplace of progressive views. I'm perfectly certain that Karl Marx, when being tasked to invent a philosophical and political challenge to the dire threat of American values spreading across the world in an unmanageable conflagration of peasants with pitchforks, tearing polite and prosperous society apart at the seams, must certainly have encountered some Mormon elders speaking from soapboxes in the busy corners of London, preaching "Come to Zion".

The whole idea of mankind being well-managed by benevolent Authoritians must be particularly appealing to every well-educated do-gooder and public school teacher. And any kind of non-compliance is just intolerable.

So Thriller should just go to San Jose to teach, and the whole "hate" problem will just dissolve into blissful conformity to established wisdom.

Honestly, it's just the bully-pulpit of teaching kids he's trying to bring in here. It's the same sort of passion Trump has being President. I'm sure the kids try very hard to mind him in his class, and save their snickers for the halls.

I remember having a teacher like Thriller in the eighth grade. It was a spectacle to behold. So well-meaning. So Right.... I mean So Politically Correct..... dammit we've corrupted our language so we can't even use words with accurate meanings anymore. I was so ashamed of how the kids worked on their teacher's nerves, I tried to be nice to him.

 

[Getting Traded]

Open challenge. Forum wide. Convince me. I thrive on challenge.

How is The Thriller not hateful to the right, republicans and conservatives. Hate is the key word.

I don’t make these statements about anyone else. I’m clearly the outlier. That by itself is cause for reflection. At the least. How can it not be if anyone attempts any level of intellectual honesty?

But my evidence is his post history by itself. Constant anti right, and trump, spamming. 24/7. Advocating financial hardship for “trumpers” to teach them a lesson. Calling Bush a demagogue. Calling 10s of millions of Americans racist and sexist... go read it. Literally, it’s all there.

Again. I openly admit. I’m the extreme outlier here. No one else has this stance, at least not openly. Only me. So what the ****? It has to be me right?

So gauntlet thrown. I’m listening. And will honestly try to do my best to be open and thoughtful.

Show me better.

Thriller is not hateful to the right. He simply is pointing out the fallacies and incorrect positions taken by the right. I agree with most of his positions, though I'm a stronger believer that many, not all, conspiracy theories are correct in their assumptions. He tends to avoid such conspiracy positions. The world today is filled with so many ideas that it is difficult to sort out the truth from the misinformation, the disinformation (and there's a lot of this) which intentionally is posited to confuse us, and general assumptions from unqualified people based on misinformation and disinformation -- the MSM and government do not help either because they either provide incomplete information or out right lies. It's not easy to know what the truth is today unless you're an eyewitness to it.

 

[babe]

Speaking for myself, nope. My best friend voted for Trump. And my friend is a very good man. Strong moral compass. Goes out of his way to help people, and in so many ways. During the 2016 campaign, we had a couple of rather heated exchanges. We both came to an unspoken agreement to never talk politics with each other again. I've often wondered how he feels about policies that Trump has implemented that I know my friend has to be aghast at, I'm thinking specifically of environmental policies. But I will not ask him.

I believe, and we had a thread here about this a few years ago, that liberals and conservatives have fundamentally different psychologies. There may even be differences in brain structure. Several studies in that specific aspect. My point being that in the age old nature vs. nurture debate, some of our differences may be by nature. I grew up, and have always lived, in one of America's liberal bastions. But the rural areas of my tiny state are conservative. And it would not take much study to realize part of our great divide is in fact a rural vs. urban divide. These things I mention might be considered in trying to understand why we are living at a time when American vs American is the predominant theme.

I think Thriller does alienate those who don't share his beliefs, and it never helps to belittle or attack personally one's opponent. I know I have certainly slipped at times, in that regard. But, like it or not, politics is the art of compromise. We should regain that realization before we are literally at each other's throats.

In cities, or any perceived crowd, the thinking changes, even if you are self-reliant and perfectly capable of functioning on your own. You need to know what the herd is thinking, and you have to fit in somehow. Perfectly good socialists buy houses or estates in the country and just go there to be "real", and drive into town to be "progressive". I honestly believe that if we bussed city folks to a rural voting booth, they'd vote conservative. I'm trying to get Biden to sponsor that bill.

I'm an extreme example of this. In Nowhere, NV I'm Mr. Hide, and in Berkeley CA I'm Dr. Jackyl. I have to be understandable. If I fail to mind my manners I'll be Dr. Jackass.

yah, some don't bother to take off the coveralls and shine the shoes, but mostly we do what needs doing to keep interactions "standard".

I think it's elbow room that determines the Privileges we take with opinions.