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Red said:
Who can say? Anti-science is rampant in America. Anti-government sentiment. Masks have become part of the partisan divide. Assuming it helps slow/prevent spread, and I do so assume, I am wearing a mask to protect you, and you are wearing a mask to protect me. This is a form of “one for all, and all for one”. I like that approach. Yet, in a recent poll, 57% of Republicans find the number of American deaths from Covid-19 “acceptable”. I’ll post a link to that stat, and here are articles discussing the issue of masks....

www.vox.com

Anti-maskers explain themselves

“If I’m going to get Covid and die from it, then so be it.”
www.vox.com www.vox.com

www.inquirer.com

America is drunk on a warped idea of freedom, and now it’s killing people | Will Bunch

The refusal of millions of Americans to wear masks is the lethal result of decades of selling folks on freedom without responsibility.
www.inquirer.com www.inquirer.com

www.newyorker.com

The Militias Against Masks

Groups protesting lockdown measures see the coronavirus pandemic as a pretext for tyranny—and as an opportunity for spreading rage.
www.newyorker.com www.newyorker.com

thehill.com

57 percent of Republicans say coronavirus death toll is ‘acceptable’

A majority of Republicans said that the number of coronavirus deaths in the U.S. — now topping 176,000, according to data from Johns Hopkins University — is “acceptable,” according to a poll r…
thehill.com thehill.com
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With the percentage of people within businesses and offices and other gatherings wearing masks today, and the degree of compliance presently observable in all public places, plus the percentage of recovered Covid-19 people, we are nearing a reasonable expectation of dropping frequency. Many of the demonstrations are referencing excessive policies where not needed because of adequate social distancing and other prudent measures, where there has been an effect on business that is too harmful in consideration of the risks.

It would appear that Fauci's original advice that masks are not needed, or that Covid-19 is comparable to the flu...... or Nancy Pelosi's sage advice for San Francisco's tourists and residents to please show up at the Chinatown businesses, or that New York's orders to please go have a good time in Manhattan, somehow were wrong to begin with. A helluva lot of irrational advice and unfounded government orders going on in this whole crazy thing, which appears to have been some kind of deliberate attempt to counter Trump's "racist" travel restrictions last January.

People are justified in believing orders from the government have proven the Government is significantly unqualified to direct daily life even in a flu outbreak.

The bureaucratic edicts against the trial of HCQ are a further example of how the government gone wrong is actually fanning the Covid-19. Trump takes the reasonable position that advice is more effective, and may produce better observation of reasonable safer practices than orders, but he has correctly left it to the local government and the federal agencies where he could.

Many of the precautions we are doing in schools and businesses actually are less reasonable and less scientific than the common sense people are going to use anyway, based on what is known at present
 
babe said:
With the percentage of people within businesses and offices and other gatherings wearing masks today, and the degree of compliance presently observable in all public places, plus the percentage of recovered Covid-19 people, we are nearing a reasonable expectation of dropping frequency. Many of the demonstrations are referencing excessive policies where not needed because of adequate social distancing and other prudent measures, where there has been an effect on business that is too harmful in consideration of the risks.

It would appear that Fauci's original advice that masks are not needed, or that Covid-19 is comparable to the flu...... or Nancy Pelosi's sage advice for San Francisco's tourists and residents to please show up at the Chinatown businesses, or that New York's orders to please go have a good time in Manhattan, somehow were wrong to begin with. A helluva lot of irrational advice and unfounded government orders going on in this whole crazy thing, which appears to have been some kind of deliberate attempt to counter Trump's "racist" travel restrictions last January.

People are justified in believing orders from the government have proven the Government is significantly unqualified to direct daily life even in a flu outbreak.

The bureaucratic edicts against the trial of HCQ are a further example of how the government gone wrong is actually fanning the Covid-19. Trump takes the reasonable position that advice is more effective, and may produce better observation of reasonable safer practices than orders, but he has correctly left it to the local government and the federal agencies where he could.

Many of the precautions we are doing in schools and businesses actually are less reasonable and less scientific than the common sense people are going to use anyway, based on what is known at present
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This has been my frustration... people keep saying "we still don't know..." Actually we do know a lot about this thing and we are ignoring a lot of it. The initial mask thing is a killer to me. What would it have hurt to tell people to wear masks to help slow the spread if they have the virus. We did it early and people would judge you like you stole masks from doctors and how could you be so selfish... now I walk outside and get weird looks from people on nature trails because I'm not wearing a mask outdoors.

We have gone full stupid and it starts at the top... dems, republicans, independents... we all being dumb AF.
 

Although the study must undergo the rigors of peer review before it is published in a scientific journal, both outside experts and the scientists involved say it shows the power and promise of an emerging field of research known as genomic epidemiology. The small mutations that accumulate in a virus’s genome are like genetic bar codes; by tracking them, researchers can trace infections to their sources and develop more effective interventions to stop the disease.

“This is the kind of study that … defines why genomics can be so useful in outbreak reconstruction,” said Vaughn Cooper, a microbiologist at the University of Pittsburgh who was not involved in the Boston research. “It reflects a great deal of coordinating work, and that's what in part makes this so powerful."
 
Red said:

Although the study must undergo the rigors of peer review before it is published in a scientific journal, both outside experts and the scientists involved say it shows the power and promise of an emerging field of research known as genomic epidemiology. The small mutations that accumulate in a virus’s genome are like genetic bar codes; by tracking them, researchers can trace infections to their sources and develop more effective interventions to stop the disease.

“This is the kind of study that … defines why genomics can be so useful in outbreak reconstruction,” said Vaughn Cooper, a microbiologist at the University of Pittsburgh who was not involved in the Boston research. “It reflects a great deal of coordinating work, and that's what in part makes this so powerful."
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reports on genomic tracing were quite available last February. The tracking using genomic technology is quite widely available today due to the common availabilityh of the instruments and know-how, which has been invested in for years as an inexpensive law enforcement tool, paternity testing method, and research tool.

The net effect of publication of such studies means it would be difficult for a malevolent schemer to deliberately spread the virus, say spraying stadium seats with the virus or dispensing an aerosol in public, which is why the sudden disappearance of such reports from Google's First Page searches justifies real concern about Google.


In February you could actually get the research reports including genomic sequencing online. Pretty hard to hide the truth when the facts are actually available.
 
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The Thriller said:
Is this supposed to help or hinder our pandemic containment effort?

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I know you are running a sort of political circus hyping totalitarian social change using the Covid-19 stats as a mob mentality fear panic thing, but seriously, you expose yourself indecently when you want asymptomatic people, or people with, negative test results to be counted as Covid-19 cases simply because they were exposed to another person considered positive, with the same criteria for reporting.

I am sure it would take a Nobel laureate epidemiologist to do a study that could now unravel the true stats from all the fake padding of the stats thet's been done to get gov funds or bulk out the panic to try to justify applying totalitarian government orders.

You should be embarassed for being so ignorant or so thoughtless or so unconscionable about your panic mongering.
 
babe said:
I know you are running a sort of political circus hyping totalitarian social change using the Covid-19 stats as a mob mentality fear panic thing, but seriously, you expose yourself indecently when you want asymptomatic people, or people with, negative test results to be counted as Covid-19 cases simply because they were exposed to another person considered positive, with the same criteria for reporting.

I am sure it would take a Nobel laureate epidemiologist to do a study that could now unravel the true stats from all the fake padding of the stats thet's been done to get gov funds or bulk out the panic to try to justify applying totalitarian government orders.

You should be embarassed for being so ignorant or so thoughtless or so unconscionable about your panic mongering.
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I love how you claim to know things that you don't actually and cannot in any possible way know.
 
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