What makes you think we have a free market healthcare system?
Coronavirus
- Thread starter Hekate
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I find it "diagnostic" that you consider anyone who supplants unreasoned fear with any kind of information something unusual, something that requires a diagnosis that it's an unsupportable irrational way to "process fear"......
And my reason for posting this is just to let you, and others, know it's something we can, and should, laugh at. Our natural ways.... how infective Panic is in human psychology/sociology/politics….. is best addressed by some humor, I think.
Interestingly, you and I may have some common ground here on the bizarre societal, and eventually governmental, connection between employment and health insurance. For perhaps very different reasons, though.
JazzyFresh
Banned
A million? Quite a while I'm guessing. Probably over a month.
Zombie
Well-Known Member
It would take about two months.
We have 20k coronavirus cases in this country that have been doubling at that rate. Do you understand why your posts have been astoundingly wrong yet?
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I am beginning to see evidence in scientific and other reports that look, to me, like we're not going to get anywhere near the 61 MILLION US cases like in 2009 H1N1, and far less than the 15k +/- deaths of that event.
It's gonna make the socialist panic for 1T excess spending look questionable.
But honestly, this CoViD is potentially more deadly.... and we might end up with a 0.1% death rate on a much-reduced incidence stat of 20 M, or 20k dead. If we did not do all this stuff to get people off the streets and sheltering in place or at home, I still think it looks like it would have ended up with a 100K mortality stat in the US alone.
Are 80k human lives, and 200k people not permanently impaired and needing oxygen assistance, lugging little green tanks with plastic hoses hanging from their noses worth 1T $?
Wrongful death cases settle for a few million $ each. Permanent disability cases, too. 300k X 1M is 300B. A "Return on Investment" of 30c on the dollar.
Bad business. Someone should tell Trump this is a bad business deal. Someone should tell our Congress this is overkill.
The stay-at-home idea is absolutely needed, but it shouldn't require anything but a month's pay for anyone, and should only be mandatory until we can get a person tested and "passed" to get back to work. Only severely at-risk people, and infected people need the quarantine beyond our three-week travel/activity restriction time frame.
JazzyFresh
Banned
Nope. Like I do, please post the numbers.
The facts/stats are not sustaining the 3x or the 3d figure you're using in your thought experiment. It's a good idea to go over this, and then lay in factors about changes in behavior/movement that we are taking now, and you can calculate stuff like costs and improved results in the exercise, and get ROI figures used in business decisions.
If we mandatorily isolate known cases---quarantine them---as soon as they are diagnosed, and if we generally pull back from spreading behaviors.... travel, workplaces, public events, recreation crowds, we significantly alter the results.
If we get more testing done, and identify more of the unknowing/unknowable carriers, and quarantine them, we can really manage this outbreak/pandemic.... and we are ramping up and doing more of that.
your math is good, though. doubling 10x in 30 d gets you from 1 to 1000. Doing that a second 30d gets you from 1000 to 1000000.
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Zombie
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I just did *******. You're going on about X number of cases per day growing on a linear scale. That's not what's happening.
JazzyFresh
Banned
Remember we're talking about 75,000,000 people. Other countries are getting sick at a similar rate and they have yet to hit even a half on one percent of their population. You are trying to tell me that just because America is located away fromany countries that we will get sick at 50%.
Italy is at .08% getting sick
Zombie is saying America will be at 50+% because for some unknown reason the virus is Americist.
Lol
Italy is at .08% getting sick
Zombie is saying America will be at 50+% because for some unknown reason the virus is Americist.
Lol
nah..... honestly, I think you love to pull philosophical values outta your ***, than then wax scientific about why the world should bend over for you.( j/k)
My numbers actually came from published articles in the peer-reviewed literature.....
People can still go wild with speculation, though. And that's gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaareat. We're human. We should cheer for our team, we should get excited/enthusiastic for stuff we care about.
That's what life, and conversations, or discussion threads are for.
Just put me down for the other team, please.