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Ron Mexico said:
From the CDC:


I don't see how covid19 is as infectious when in roughly the same time it's no where near those number of infections. Also you have to factor that people are getting vaccinated for flu and generally we know how to manage it better and treat it much much better.
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It's not the same time. The flu has been with us for ages and it mutates and returns every year slightly different so that's why you need different vaccine every year. Here's CDC's reports on flu cases this season:
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It didn't start at the same time as the COVID-19 virus. By that graphic they started charting it in the 40th week of the year. This is September 23-September 29. In other words it has had 6 months to spread already and at the moment there are 242,330 cases. COVID started spreading in late January and epidemic growth goes by exponential curve. Meaning it jumps disproportionately later in the curve. (you can see the same for the flu, but with not as steep of a curve before it tops out). The US is currently at 143K cases of COVID and it has been spreading for only about 2 months. It probably will surpass the flu by the end of the week and blow it out of the water by the end of the season. And this is with the flu having 4 months of headstart. This one is MUCH more infectious and much more dangerous.


Also keeping in mind a large amount of the cases were from wuhan where things were very very poorly handled at first. The rest of China hardly got infected and death rates were fairly low outside one city. Also keeping in mind that many countries don't report flu deaths if there was any other factor. If you applied that same stipulation to this covid19 I'm pretty sure deaths would be reduced a lot. Italy reported 99% of their deaths had other factors. Not sure what other countries are though.

This isn't too show that covid19 isn't serious but to show the flu is. We don't need another virus to overwhelm our systems. Hopefully we can delay this and the flu cases from spreading as long as possible to find cures and vaccines. Plus spread the load at the hospitals to reduce deaths.
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Agree, the flu is by no means a disease to be underestimated, but countries already do a ton to prevent epidemics of the flu - they already have anti-virals that are somewhat effective and they already have a vaccine that they renew every year(again - because it mutates and slightly different strain circulates in the population every year), they already close schools when there is a jump in cases, etc.. In several years we might have similar success with handling COVID-19... we might have effective anti-virals and we might have a vaccine(although, from what I've read the 18 months is really a very optimistic timeline - usually it takes in the realm of about 10 years to develop a really good vaccine for a new virus. So yeah, some time in the future this might be as dangerous as the flu, right now it's NOT.
 
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ONE LOVE said:
I'd rather we say masks can be effective and acknowledge that there is a shortage of masks VS to say masks are not effective.

At least that way we can ramp up the manufacturing of masks or procuring them somehow than to just say we don't need them.
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You can just make your own masks. Any HEPA filter of sufficiently small size can be cut and shaped.
 
Only an average of 207,397 cases per day for a FULL YEAR for that 75,000,000 you all lied about. Remember how you ALL told me how stupid I was because "exponential growth" even though anyone with the slightest ability to even remotely think logically knew that number was wrong. The people have even admitted to it now

I am done here as A) you all can call me cult member, stupid, Nazi, racist and mods are ok with that. I call @Gameface a bully and I get silenced. B) you all truly believed 75,000,000 people are going to get sick. If you believed that or argued against me it just shows your inability to even process the easiest of things. I mean that was as amazingly common sense as it comes. It's the most basic math possible and you all couldn't even process it. Just like Russia hoax, Kavanaugh hoax(hypocrites are sweeping Bidens rape allegations under the rug because you can't use rape as a political tool against your own, just Trump. Sickening hypocrisy), a third party phone call to Ukraine people will believe anything without even challenging it.

So peace and love. Maybe try to think logically about what a huge number even 10 million is let alone 75 million. What a waste of life arguing with people who can't even understand that. It...was...so...simple...

Personally I think I'm owed an apology by some of you but I won't hold my breath. I'll probably just be banned unfortunately but that's ok.
 
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One Brow said:
You can just make your own masks. Any HEPA filter of sufficiently small size can be cut and shaped.
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Exactly.

So for a doctor to go on TV and say it's not needed or necessarily to me is dangerous. At least encourage people to make their own one if it's not available to be purchased.

There are people on this forum who say masks are useless and even that's not as dangerous as a doctor saying it on a Nationally televised news broadcast.
 
I do understand that Trump has extended his coronavirus guidelines through April, has admitted we may exceed 100,000 deaths, and has spoken of the month of June as far as any light at the end of a tunnel( and Dr. Fauci does expect a second wave come Fall).

This is nonetheless a timely piece, and a look at our history.

The Conservative Campaign Against Safety:

https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/608986/
 
stitches said:
It's not the same time. The flu has been with us for ages and it mutates and returns every year slightly different so that's why you need different vaccine every year. Here's CDC's reports on flu cases this season:
WHONPHL12_small.gif


It didn't start at the same time as the COVID-19 virus. By that graphic they started charting it in the 40th week of the year. This is September 23-September 29. In other words it has had 6 months to spread already and at the moment there are 242,330 cases. COVID started spreading in late January and epidemic growth goes by exponential curve. Meaning it jumps disproportionately later in the curve. (you can see the same for the flu, but with not as steep of a curve before it tops out). The US is currently at 143K cases of COVID and it has been spreading for only about 2 months. It probably will surpass the flu by the end of the week and blow it out of the water by the end of the season. And this is with the flu having 4 months of headstart. This one is MUCH more infectious and much more dangerous.




Agree, the flu is by no means a disease to be underestimated, but countries already do a ton to prevent epidemics of the flu - they already have anti-virals that are somewhat effective and they already have a vaccine that they renew every year(again - because it mutates and slightly different strain circulates in the population every year), they already close schools when there is a jump in cases, etc.. In several years we might have similar success with handling COVID-19... we might have effective anti-virals and we might have a vaccine(although, from what I've read the 18 months is really a very optimistic timeline - usually it takes in the realm of about 10 years to develop a really good vaccine for a new virus. So yeah, some time in the future this might be as dangerous as the flu, right now it's NOT.
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Also This virus didn't start spreading in late January. It was spreading before then. Reports started in early December. It was well known about mid January.

Also from that link, which is where I got my info it states this:

CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 39 million flu illnesses, 400,000 hospitalizations and 24,000 deaths from flu.

So the flu had a 3 month start and is at 39 million. Do you think the covid 19 will be at 39 million in 3 months?
 
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Ron Mexico said:
That is reasonable data for the USA I guess. The number I provided is the number from the same group though. Also this virus didn't start spreading in late January. It was spreading before then. Reports started in early December. It was well known about mid January.
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It didn’t spread here til January. December was Wuhan.
 
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