One Brow
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Got a source that says otherwise, or only bluster?
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One Brow
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Yes, because it was all over the progressive blogs, and from Al-O-Meter's post, the libertarian blogs as well. If you're trying to say you didn't now, I believe that.
I don't recall hearing about that one. Was it pre-1993, before their first attempt on the WTC, when we have just used them to help throw Russia out of Afghanistan?
Except for the notion the Serbian Christians were innocent as a group, I was reading about all of these on progressive blogs.
Nothing is ever that simple.
lauriandres
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One Brow - IMHO, Srebrenica massacre kind of events would happen in country only, if the majority of the people either vocally or silently approve it. I might undestand that you have the mentality to shoot first and ask questions later when dealing military persons (i.e adults) in military confilict, but killing kids, raping women and bomb coastal cities (Sibenik, Dubrovnik) is no-no. Therefore i try to avoid also visit Serbia as a tourist. Kind of hard to be in country, where it is OK to majority to tolerate war crime performers and of course (no surprise here) are fans of the policy of Russia. Serbs should know better (because they also suffered a lot due the Nazi Germany).
I was all the time worried when i read the news between '91-'00. And i was happy, when the NATO and US forces intervened (minus the Chinese embassy bombing mistake).
Douchebag K
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Ingles would still make shots on that hoop.
Al-O-Meter
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Now that makes 2 things they got right. The vaccines won't eradicate COVID and their admission that their first investigation into the source of the vaccine dismissed the lab leak too quickly with the WHO investigator pretending he couldn't hear the question about Taiwan destroyed their credibility.
I'm perfectly fine with the idea of everyone getting the vaccine so COVID is nothing more than a common cold. It is the COVID-rationalized rush toward authoritarian government that has me terrified. The video of the Australian high school kid on his knees in handcuffs with half a dozen police standing over him for the crime of sneaking out to meet a girl he likes on the beach is what I have a problem with. Presidents and Governors claiming emergency power to issue unilateral orders are what I have a problem with.
Red
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Looks like ~30% of folks infected with Covid develop “long haul” symptoms. Maybe this is promising research. This has not got the attention of the pandemic itself, but I imagine until we understand it completely, and get some kind of handle on what it is and try to treat it, that “long haul” itself is a health issue affecting a great many people. Extraordinary levels of fatigue and “brain fog” seem to be two of the more debilitating symptoms present in people who had Covid.
www.thv11.com
Arkansas researchers find possible cause of long-lasting COVID-19 symptoms
Researchers at UAMS have identified a possible reason why some COVID-19 long-haul patients continue to see symptoms longer than others.
www.thv11.com
JazzyFresh
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Can someone explain this to me? I'm not being facetious for once. Why dies the Biden administration keep admitting the vaccine isn't working?
Protecting the vaccinated? Isn't that what the vaccine is for?
Protecting the vaccinated? Isn't that what the vaccine is for?
JazzyFresh
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Sorry to rehash an old argument but you know what else I would do If I were in charge? I'd make a guarantee. Something like if the country get 75% vaccinated by xx, I will resign from my position if the virus is not gone 4 months after that xx date
Ifs he's so confident that the vaccine will end this, he should put his money where his mouth is. He won't though, but I'd line up right now because a) I'd put more trust in the vaccine if he was that confident in it and b) Biden would be gone soon. I'm willing to sacrifice my freedom for that.
Sorry to rehash an old argument but you know what else I would do If I were in charge? I'd make a guarantee. Something like if the country get 75% vaccinated by xx, I will resign from my position if the virus is not gone 4 months after that xx date
Ifs he's so confident that the vaccine will end this, he should put his money where his mouth is. He won't though, but I'd line up right now because a) I'd put more trust in the vaccine if he was that confident in it and b) Biden would be gone soon. I'm willing to sacrifice my freedom for that.
Avery
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I didn't consider it an argument, just a discussion. I don't think the virus will ever be gone per se, but I think we're all kidding ourselves if we think any public official will give up their golden parachute for a vaccination rate. As a pure case study, it sure would be fun to see what would happen if Biden made such a proclamation (though the endgame means Harris is president so I think you'd to put some more skin in the game and let Trump come back with a new VP of his choice if they didn't hit it to make it truly juicy).
One thing that does bother is me that any herd immunity rate is all over the map. I've heard 75%, 80%, even 90% and there's a lot of distance between those numbers. I've yet to really hear a clear answer from anyone on the matter while also realizing it's an imperfect statistic.
Al-O-Meter
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Kamala Harris is not a virologist or epidemiologist and shouldn't be considered an authority on vaccine efficacy. Actual scientists all say the vaccine is highly effective at preventing hospitalization and death.
One Brow
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Perhaps you can understand this metaphor:
If someone is swinging a mace/hammer at you, and it hits your shield, it can still do damage to you. You might bruise/break and arm, stumble, etc. However, you won't have your ribs caved in. The shield is protecting you. It is possible to be more protected by, for example, being out of reach of the weapon.
If you take the vaccine and still get infected, you won't go to the hospital and be put on a ventilator. That's protection. It is possible to be more protected by not inhaling another person's respiratory jet (masking).
JazzyFresh
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Armor is useless against an invisible enemy. It's pointless if it's not stopping the attacks. The enemy is still aliveand well. 300% worse off than a year ago alive and well. In other words, the vaccinated are still spreading this virus like a wildfire. Your armor is chicken wire
Douchebag K
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The mere fact that anyone is saying we do this stuff and “end the pandemic” reflects their lack of understanding and either bad advice they are receiving or their zeal to appear in a certain light for political purposes or self righteousness
Jazzy, so what's your suggestion then if you don't think vaccines are the answer? Interesting that vaccines have been the answer to all the infectious diseases that we now rarely have to think about. What infectious disease are you aware of that has been eradicated by any other method than vaccines? Waiting for all of us to get COVID for herd immunity won't work. Herd immunity only works with vaccines, not by everyone getting sick.
And expecting perfect answers from medical professionals and especially government leaders is expecting the impossible. This is a new disease and they are learning as they go. No idea why you enjoy picking them apart for anything they say that later may not be completely accurate based on new information.
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And expecting perfect answers from medical professionals and especially government leaders is expecting the impossible. This is a new disease and they are learning as they go. No idea why you enjoy picking them apart for anything they say that later may not be completely accurate based on new information.
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Douchebag K
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*wont go to = far less likely to be accurate. And we still don’t know exactly how quickly the efficacy wanes and how well boosters will or won’t work. None of this is binary or absolutes
Douchebag K
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Unfortunately herd immunity isn’t realistic anymore. Vaccines are a valuable tool but I think the notion of Covid being something absent that we dont think about anymore is years away
One Brow
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Thank you for the correction.
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Everything he posts is extreme hyperbole. Don't take any of it serious. It's all extreme partisan BS. Ignore. Don't engage
JazzyFresh
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I completely understand the vaccine will not end the pandemic. Does everyone else? The ones shunning? The ones forcing it?
Its soooo obvious. If it's not doing anything to stop the virus, what's the point? I might not die? Well... Natural immunity gives me just as much as a chance according to many studues.
@JazzGal you mean like the measles vaccine that actually STOPS the virus at a 93% rate? Polio @90%> There's a tremendous difference here as those ACTUALLY WORK......... This vaccine is not doing what others do. The virus is 300% worse than a year a go. Places like Israel got absolutely hammered though they were one of the most vaccinated...
I'm not antivax I'm anti experimental drug that isn't doing anything my own immune system can't do. Read up in the first American Polio vaccine and the opposite terrible effect it had. Hell you even admit the medical people will make mistakes.
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