DA/JZ Press Conference

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Locke basically said Donovan lost trust in the team and that's why his clutch numbers were so bad this year. Basically tried to do it all himself. He's the only player he linked to that comment with an example.

**** Donovan for real. Then you could tell in the elimination Game 6 vs Dallas he pulled a "oh you want to do it without me" kind of thing and went totally passive in the final minutes (though it probably helped us overall, Bogey just missed the shot). Still was a lame *** move on his part.

 

[TheStormofWar]

Locke basically said Donovan lost trust in the team and that's why his clutch numbers were so bad this year. Basically tried to do it all himself. He's the only player he linked to that comment with an example.

**** Donovan for real. Then you could tell in the elimination Game 6 vs Dallas he pulled a "oh you want to do it without me" kind of thing and went totally passive in the final minutes (though it probably helped us overall, Bogey just missed the shot). Still was a lame *** move on his part.

Eh, what's past is past my friend.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Question is “Did they” have the kind of quality assets at the start of the rebuild that the Jazz have, not “do they” have them now, years later. Obviously more assets early in rebuilt is a factor that could help a team getting better faster, if they want to. Not sure how you are missing this point, it’s pretty obvious.

And Obviously future picks don’t help teams win today, kinda the point of the rebuild. Misses the point of the optionslity of parlaying picks to accelerate the process.

This is something somewhat important. OKC didn’t have as many assets on the front end of the rebuild. They also have actively offloaded functional vets and sat on cap space.

Houston actually is out some picks so it was critical they suck as hard as they can now. They don’t have the treasure trove we do.

Where this becomes a quick advantage is if you have a couple pieces in two years and an opportunity arises to trade for an all star you can pounce. OKC could do that but they haven’t had the lotto luck just yet to really push some chips in to
Improve.

We will also have a real opportunity to
move up the draft if we want to… there are limits but end of the lotto is realistic if we throw in day the Brooklyn pick and one of the Minny picks… if there is a guy we like that’s available. On draft night moving into the 12-14 range is really doable. Could
also do it by adding a player to a pick to move up. I’d say we are way ahead of what Houston had to start their rebuild… I think we are maybe even with where OKC started cuz they had SGA… but it’s conceivable we could have better lotto luck or hit on a later pick (they haven’t done real well outside the lotto).

There are reasons to believe it could be a two year process… one hiccup and you end up at 3 years pretty easily.

 

[default]

Lol the jazz have done this twice for sure maybe three times. Lol

So, what the hell happened between having the best record to only being a 6th seed? You don’t get the best record by having a dysfunctional roster.

I do think Ingles and Favors helped team chemistry even if they were not stars. After they left, we seemed to be more divided.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Locke basically said Donovan lost trust in the team and that's why his clutch numbers were so bad this year. Basically tried to do it all himself. He's the only player he linked to that comment with an example.

**** Donovan for real. Then you could tell in the elimination Game 6 vs Dallas he pulled a "oh you want to do it without me" kind of thing and went totally passive in the final minutes (though it probably helped us overall, Bogey just missed the shot). Still was a lame *** move on his part.

He was the guy that could have saved this thing. I think he's a great guy... I really do... I think he will super regret how he handled the last couple years.

Losing faith in guys on defense and offense is contagious... If it comes from the star you have a full pandemic. Why would one guy make the extra pass when that guy isnt? Why bust your *** to make the right rotation on defense when someone on the defense chain will just let **** slip.

It really sucks but I'm happy we did the right thing and just tore **** down. Ryan should get a small pat on the back for letting Ainge do this because it was clearly not what he wanted to do. Especially with a small microscope on him/Utah for the AS game this year. I'm happy his pride didn't get in the way of the team doing the right thing.

 

[KqWIN]

Question is “Did they” have the kind of quality assets at the start of the rebuild that the Jazz have, not “do they” have them now, years later. Obviously more assets early in rebuilt is a factor that could help a team getting better faster, if they want to. Not sure how you are missing this point, it’s pretty obvious.

And Obviously future picks don’t help teams win today, kinda the point of the rebuild. Misses the point of the optionslity of parlaying picks to accelerate the process.

What are you talking about? The Thunder had hoards of picks from the WB and PG trades. HOU had picks from the Harden trade.

It doesn't mean jack **** as far as winning in the next 1-2 years. That's the point. having future picks does not mean your rebuild gets done in 1-2 years. If your expectation is 1-2 years, your expectation is a miracle.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

What are you talking about? The Thunder had hoards of picks from the WB and PG trades. HOU had picks from the Harden trade.

It doesn't mean jack **** as far as winning in the next 1-2 years. That's the point. having future picks does not mean your rebuild gets done in 1-2 years. If your expectation is 1-2 years, your expectation is a miracle.

Houston is out a couple picks because of the CP trade though. They didn't have as much to sell off.

I agree with your overall point though. Those picks don't help now unless the 2023 pick hits in a huge way (minor miracle) or you decide to cash in some picks in 2 years for a star.

We are likely looking at 2-3 years as the best case scenario... more likely 3-4 years.

Unless Lauri goes back to the 20/10 guy he was for a minute as a second year player and Sexton goes to an efficient 25/5 guy and Ochai/Kessler hit in a huge way.

I do think we have way more potential than Houston to turn it around quickly... OKC had SGA and a **** ton of picks doe... so starting from a similar point. If Chet wasn't out all year and the didn't actively do the BS they do to tank I think they could have been a play in team but will now Tank this **** as they have an excuse.

 

[KqWIN]

Houston is out a couple picks because of the CP trade though. They didn't have as much to sell off.

I agree with your overall point though. Those picks don't help now unless the 2023 pick hits in a huge way (minor miracle) or you decide to cash in some picks in 2 years for a star.

We are likely looking at 2-3 years as the best case scenario... more likely 3-4 years.

Unless Lauri goes back to the 20/10 guy he was for a minute as a second year player and Sexton goes to an efficient 25/5 guy and Ochai/Kessler hit in a huge way.

I do think we have way more potential than Houston to turn it around quickly... OKC had SGA and a **** ton of picks doe... so starting from a similar point. If Chet wasn't out all year and the didn't actively do the BS they do to tank I think they could have been a play in team but will now Tank this **** as they have an excuse.

If you wanted to tank, I understood if under the "we're going to commit and do it right" kind of thinking. That's always what you and I have been talking about from my understanding, and it's reasonable. If we weren't going to retool around the stars and trade both, there needed to be an understanding that it's likely 3-4 years if things go well.

What's not reasonable is thinking this is a 1-2 year thing and we're right back. It doesn't really matter how many future picks we have. Unless we're cashing them in for trades, they aren't helping us win much in the next two years.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If you wanted to tank, I understood if under the "we're going to commit and do it right" kind of thinking. That's always what you and I have been talking about from my understanding, and it's reasonable. If we weren't going to retool around the stars and trade both, there needed to be an understanding that it's likely 3-4 years if things go well.

What's not reasonable is thinking this is a 1-2 year thing and we're right back. It doesn't really matter how many future picks we have. Unless we're cashing them in for trades, they aren't helping us win much in the next two years.

That's fair. I think you hope like hell its a 2 year deal like the Grizz... but you have to be flexible and opportunistic. If something goes really right this year it can be a 2 year process imo... if something small... a hiccup if you will... goes wrong then it easily gets extended. I think the front office knows it.

And I think you do have to be opportunistic... can't be impatient with the rebuild but like with Boston they stole Isiah Thomas... I don't think that was the plan but the opportunity arose. If you try to force something to happen you end up doing something like what Chicago did in paying way too much for Vucevic.

I think we will have chances to be opportunistic. I don't think OKC and Houston are looking to swipe players with their excess picks.. so if the right opportunity comes along we should be able to do something.

I think the safer route is to bottom all the way out... but I'm okay with the approach getting younger players that have shown some potential... and if they are good you end up top7/8 and maybe you get lucky.

 

[KqWIN]

I think what people forget with MEM is that they didn't tank for Ja. They were in the 8th position. When they tanked, they still had Marc and Conley on their roster. If you have a playoff team and happen to tank because of injuries or whatever reason.....that's more reasonable. But the Jazz aren't tanking with a team that was already built for the playoffs like MEM or TOR more recently.

Even without Mike and Marc, some crazy things had to happen for MEM to get back so quickly. Winning the lottery, having Ja be there instead of an average #2, hitting on so many later draft picks and moves on the margin. A lot of luck and incredible work from that FO created what they are.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think what people forget with MEM is that they didn't tank for Ja. They were in the 8th position. When they tanked, they still had Marc and Conley on their roster. If you have a playoff team and happen to tank because of injuries or whatever reason.....that's more reasonable. But the Jazz aren't tanking with a team that was already built for the playoffs like MEM or TOR more recently.

Even without Mike and Marc, some crazy things had to happen for MEM to get back so quickly. Winning the lottery, having Ja be there instead of an average #2, hitting on so many later draft picks and moves on the margin. A lot of luck and incredible work from that FO created what they are.

Yup... you have to get lucky. I think its a 2 year process from when you get your building block(s) to when you will return to the playoff picture... I'm okay with people being optimistic and saying we hope its a 2-3 year process. That is plan A... it won't take much to move us to plan B which is a longer timeline. I think we have given ourselves an opportunity to get lucky.

Even Memphis with all their luck I think missed an opportunity this summer to do something bigger. I think they may end up falling back to the 6/7 range this year.

 

[str8line]

DA seems to be pretty good fiends with David Locke. Calls him "Dave".

Sometimes it's fun to have a good fiend.