D'Angelo Russell

[LoPo]

Uhh, exactly. He's hitting a high percentage on tough shots and he's still only averaging 18.6 ppg on 16.7 shots in that stretch.

Ricky Rubio, a bad shooter, averages more points per shot than Russell on the season.

So Russell, while having a pretty good shooting year, is still a really below average efficiency scorer. When those hard shots stop dropping, he's going to be a terrible offensive player.

So he has to evolve into a consistently elite shooter to be an efficient player. That's a huge bet considering he struggles to create separation.

Then you factor in he's not a good defender.

- Rubio has a EFG% of 45% while shooting 11 shots per game. Russell has a EFG% of 49.6% while shooting 17 shots per game.
- Rubio gets to shoot wide freaking open shots. Russell does not.
- Rubio plays on a better team than Brooklyn yet he still struggles offensively.
- Russell gets more assists while having less turnovers than Rubio.


Let me emphasize, Rubio is the worst statistical starter on our team and he gets to shoot wide open shots. In our offense, Russell would have a much, much easier time scoring and facilitating.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Russell is an improvement on Rubio. So if we spend a little more than the $15 million we are currently spending on Rubio, I'm okay with it for the sake of the improvement.

We should trade for him now because we are unlikely to sign him in the summer. We are unlikely to sign any player as good as D'Angelo Russell in the summer because in the history of our franchise, we have only signed two guys who could be considered better than Russell (Mehmet and Carlos).

I don’t consider him much of an improvement to Rubio if at all, and I don’t want Rubio back next year.

 

[LoPo]

Then you factor in he's not a good defender.

Russell has a better defensive FG% than Rubio too.

To argue Rubio over Russell is just a lazy attempt to be confrontational.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Russell has a better defensive FG% than Rubio too.

To argue Rubio over Russell is just a lazy attempt to be confrontational.

And suggesting we get Russell because you think he’s the best we can get is irresponsible.


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[Handlogten's Heros]

Russell has a better defensive FG% than Rubio too.

To argue Rubio over Russell is just a lazy attempt to be confrontational.

Cost is important too... Russell at $20M a year? 15? 25? I think Rubio gets in the 10M ballpark unless its a one year overpay Favs special (I'm prepared for that to be our huge use of dry powder).

Russell has struggled with injuries too... I'm telling you... it's like the hot girl that you aren't sure why she's single... you find out she has daddy issues and you are like fine I'll deal with that... then you find out she's high maintenance and you are like "sure... this will still be fine".... and then you discover she likes the post Pinkerton Weezer albums more than the blue album and then you like "I'm out... someone else can deal with her".

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

- Rubio has a EFG% of 45% while shooting 11 shots per game. Russell has a EFG% of 49.6% while shooting 17 shots per game.
- Rubio gets to shoot wide freaking open shots. Russell does not.
- Rubio plays on a better team than Brooklyn yet he still struggles offensively.
- Russell gets more assists while having less turnovers than Rubio.


Let me emphasize, Rubio is the worst statistical starter on our team and he gets to shoot wide open shots. In our offense, Russell would have a much, much easier time scoring and facilitating.

Yeah, Russell is a good shooter, I established that. That's all he is. He's historically bad at finishing and getting to the ft line. He's also a bad defender who has poor awareness and effort on that end combined with poor athletic ability.

As far as assist, the guy has a 30% usage rate compared to Rubio's 22%. He's on the ball constantly unless DinWiddie is in the game. His team is also a much better shooting team, so he has a lot more easy assist than Rubio where it's just him dribbling in place while his wings come of screens. He plays a lot safer than Rubio as well, so he gets less turnovers. Since he can't get by anyone off the dribble, he doesnt really force too many things and just settles for difficult jump shots or kicks out to his team's many 3pt shooters.

I wanted to find out just how bad Russell's FT ability has been in a historical context, so I looked it up. https://www.basketball-reference.co...al=25&order_by=fta_per_fga_pct&order_by_asc=Y

I wanted to find players who had top two option usage (above 25% usage rate), took top two option shots per game (above 15 shots per game), and played at least 25 mpg.

With those parameters, Russell is having the 2nd lowest FTR for a high usage player ever, and of the players on the last, Russell has the highest usage rate

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yeah, Russell is a good shooter, I established that. That's all he is. He's historically bad at finishing and getting to the ft line. He's also a bad defender who has poor awareness and effort on that end combined with poor athletic ability.

As far as assist, the guy has a 30% usage rate compared to Rubio's 22%. He's on the ball constantly unless DinWiddie is in the game. His team is also a much better shooting team, so he has a lot more easy assist than Rubio where it's just him dribbling in place while his wings come of screens. He plays a lot safer than Rubio as well, so he gets less turnovers. Since he can't get by anyone off the dribble, he doesnt really force too many things and just settles for difficult jump shots or kicks out to his team's many 3pt shooters.

I wanted to find out just how bad Russell's FT ability has been in a historical context, so I looked it up. https://www.basketball-reference.co...al=25&order_by=fta_per_fga_pct&order_by_asc=Y

I wanted to find players who had top two option usage (above 25% usage rate), took top two option shots per game (above 15 shots per game), and played at least 25 mpg.

With those parameters, Russell is having the 2nd lowest FTR for a high usage player ever, and of the players on the last, Russell has the highest usage rate

Russell prefers the Green Album... I'm out.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Russell has a better defensive FG% than Rubio too.

To argue Rubio over Russell is just a lazy attempt to be confrontational.

Yeah, Rubio has played the toughest schedule in the NBA and plays Western Conference guards. But congrats, you found the 1 stat this year that might say Russell is a better defender. Now go find anyone who watches basketball who would say that, you won't.

 

[LoPo]

Yeah, Rubio has played the toughest schedule in the NBA and plays Western Conference guards. But congrats, you found the 1 stat this year that might say Russell is a better defender. Now go find anyone who watches basketball who would say that, you won't.

You're the one who is trying to say Rubio is better than Russell. You're also the one who compared Russell to Jose Calderon.

 

[LoPo]

And suggesting we get Russell because you think he’s the best we can get is irresponsible.


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Is he better than anybody we will sign in free agency? Unless it's 2004, Russell would be the best free agent signing we would have ever had.

You might have an argument via trade. It is still possible we could trade for something better than Russell, but I highly, highly doubt we get Beal.

I would argue that DL trading for Russell would be the best NBA player that DL ever traded for. He would have more of an impact than Crowder, Hill, Rubio, Korver, etc. Russell represents help now and as a running mate next to DM for the long term. Note: I'm not counting when DL traded up within a draft to get Mitchell.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You're the one who is trying to say Rubio is better than Russell. You're also the one who compared Russell to Jose Calderon.

Man, reading is a real struggle for you.

This is what I said about Rubio in this thread "Ricky Rubio, a bad shooter, averages more points per shot than Russell on the season."

I was simply using Rubio, a bad shooter, as a reference to show how bad Russell is at scoring. I never said either player was better or worse than the other.

And yeah, I stick by the Calderon/Russell comparison. Prime Calderon was much better because he was lower usage and more efficient, but both have similar weaknesses.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Is he better than anybody we will sign in free agency? Unless it's 2004, Russell would be the best free agent signing we would have ever had.

You might have an argument via trade. It is still possible we could trade for something better than Russell, but I highly, highly doubt we get Beal.

I would argue that DL trading for Russell would be the best NBA player that DL ever traded for. He would have more of an impact than Crowder, Hill, Rubio, Korver, etc. Russell represents help now and as a running mate next to DM for the long term. Note: I'm not counting when DL traded up within a draft to get Mitchell.

Omg. How good do you think Russell is?


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