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infection said:
When I saw Locke’s tweet, I immediately thought of you and almost tagged you in it.



I think we’re missing an opportunity of seeing him as a spot up shooter.
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Its really just some Quin and Jazz org boot licking. Our job is to win a title... not develop JB, but giving JB some run to develop helps us in a number of ways to accomplish the first goal. Quin is a checkers player sometimes.

I just love the contradictory thoughts of "send JB to the G League" and "JB needs to learn how to play with talented players and play off ball". So he is supposed to go down there and defer to players who are way less talented than he is... and worlds less talented than his Varsity teammates???? Or will it just reinforce the habit of playing with the ball in his hands. BTW I don't think that is necessarily an issue... I think he develops into the type of player you want to handle the ball a lot.

It is such a small investment to give Butler the 10-15 minutes that Forrest gets when Mike is out... instead of investing in a mildly interesting tech stock with a small amount of funds, Quin is putting that investment into a low interest CD.
 
KqWIN said:
I don’t mind if we’re sitting him for the veteran players. This season and team isn’t about developing Jared Butler. We’re trying to win a championship.

People got mad at Quin for playing him 2-3 minutes at a time, but for me I saw that as a bonus and was happy to get anything at all.

What I can’t agree with is prioritizing Forrest over Butler. Forrest isn’t really helping us now and I can’t see him helping us much more in the future. His offensive game is just too bad to be a real rotation player.
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I wasn't mad he was only getting 2-3 minutes at a time... something is better than nothing... I was mad he was judged based on an impossible window of opportunity. Play DM in 2-3 minute stints and he will look rough at times.

Forrest comes in and does nothing... and is rewarded for doing nothing. JB made mistakes... if you want him to do the Trent Forrest I am sure he can.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Its really just some Quin and Jazz org boot licking. Our job is to win a title... not develop JB, but giving JB some run to develop helps us in a number of ways to accomplish the first goal. Quin is a checkers player sometimes.

I just love the contradictory thoughts of "send JB to the G League" and "JB needs to learn how to play with talented players and play off ball". So he is supposed to go down there and defer to players who are way less talented than he is... and worlds less talented than his Varsity teammates???? Or will it just reinforce the habit of playing with the ball in his hands. BTW I don't think that is necessarily an issue... I think he develops into the type of player you want to handle the ball a lot.

It is such a small investment to give Butler the 10-15 minutes that Forrest gets when Mike is out... instead of investing in a mildly interesting tech stock with a small amount of funds, Quin is putting that investment into a low interest CD.
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It must have been a tough hit for Butler to go from summer darling to yesterdays news within a few very short opportunities. The 9-minute game where he got yanked for Forrest was a brutal way to treat a guy who could be so important to us. He put up good numbers in his only other decent opportunity, the 14 minute game.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Its really just some Quin and Jazz org boot licking. Our job is to win a title... not develop JB, but giving JB some run to develop helps us in a number of ways to accomplish the first goal. Quin is a checkers player sometimes.

I just love the contradictory thoughts of "send JB to the G League" and "JB needs to learn how to play with talented players and play off ball". So he is supposed to go down there and defer to players who are way less talented than he is... and worlds less talented than his Varsity teammates???? Or will it just reinforce the habit of playing with the ball in his hands. BTW I don't think that is necessarily an issue... I think he develops into the type of player you want to handle the ball a lot.

It is such a small investment to give Butler the 10-15 minutes that Forrest gets when Mike is out... instead of investing in a mildly interesting tech stock with a small amount of funds, Quin is putting that investment into a low interest CD.
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Why waste time with a CD when your bank has a high yield savings account at 0.2%?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I wasn't mad he was only getting 2-3 minutes at a time... something is better than nothing... I was mad he was judged based on an impossible window of opportunity. Play DM in 2-3 minute stints and he will look rough at times.

Forrest comes in and does nothing... and is rewarded for doing nothing. JB made mistakes... if you want him to do the Trent Forrest I am sure he can.
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The most frustrating part of this for me is that Forrest isn't delivering any current or potential value. His version of doing nothing is just as crippling as Butler's struggle to integrate. One of those problems problems isn't going to get better, the other could be resolved in few weeks. If it was an Oni situation where the team was +19.5 with him on the court...yeah ok I can see why you keep going to him even though he basically does nothing. If it works it works, but if it doesn't....what is the point? The Forrest minutes aren't going well to begin with and could get worse the more opposing teams see him.

I hate to keep piling on the guy. He's a just a two way player, but that also describes his prospects as a player. I'm not seeing the current or potential value with him.
 
The only player with a worse net rating than TF in non-garbage time minutes over the last two seasons is Matt Thomas. He's a two way guy, that's to be expected. But he really doesn't have a "current value" case over anyone on the roster. Maybe he's killing it in practice and that's why Locke has been saying Forrest > Butler all along, but he's not showing it in the games.
 
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