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Election Count Issues

Red said:
All you’re doing is making a complete fool out of yourself.
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He said more ballots were received than were requested. You explain to him how and why he was wrong. He moves the goalposts.
Babe is disingenuous. Also, crazy.

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I’ve read a couple of reports suggesting, based on anonymous administration officials, of course, that Trump advanced the election fraud claims as, in part at least, a sort of payback for years of accusations involving collusion with Russia in the 2016 election.

I can understand revenge where Trump is concerned. Easily. (But, might as well point out that in calling on the Russians to find and release Hillary emails, which they then did the same day, and in Trump Jr. being willing to meet with and listen to alleged “dirt” on Hillary, their campaign did engage in collusion. Just no proof of active conspiracy between Russia and Trump).

But, in this interpretation, it is, in part, payback for those who considered his own election to be tainted.

However, with Trump, look to the ego for real understanding. Recall, even in winning in 2016, he was unable to live with losing the popular vote. He had to, and he did, claim that Hillary could only have won the popular vote because 3 million illegal aliens voted for Hillary. He could not allow himself to be seen as a loser of the popular vote.

This latest claim of fraud in 2020 is also because he cannot allow himself to be seen as a loser. That has to be one major reason behind his claims, and, as we’ve seen, the most fruitcake conspiracy theories are advanced, in a truly desperate attempt to steal the election, and avoid being a loser. Literally. He’ll always be a winner in his alternative reality.

That said, I believe another goal is to convince his followers that he did win the 2020 election, and, by so doing, help cripple a Biden administration from the get go. This is putting self above country. And that too is to be expected from Trump. He will always put himself before his nation. And this has indeed worked with his followers, and Republicans in general. Which is damaging to our democracy. So many times he accused others of being the “enemies of the people”. But it is Trump who was America’s biggest enemy, and he still is...
 
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Red said:
I’ve read a couple of reports suggesting, based on anonymous administration officials, of course, that Trump advanced the election fraud claims as, in part at least, a sort of payback for years of accusations involving collusion with Russia in the 2016 election.

I can understand revenge where Trump is concerned. Easily. (But, might as well point out that in calling on the Russians to find and release Hillary emails, which they then did the same day, and in Trump Jr. being willing to meet with and listen to alleged “dirt” on Hillary, their campaign did engage in collusion. Just no proof of active conspiracy between Russia and Trump).

But, in this interpretation, it is, in part, payback for those who considered his own election to be tainted.

However, with Trump, look to the ego for real understanding. Recall, even in winning in 2016, he was unable to live with losing the popular vote. He had to, and he did, claim that Hillary could only have won the popular vote because 3 million illegal aliens voted for Hillary. He could not allow himself to be seen as a loser of the popular vote.

This latest claim of fraud in 2020 is also because he cannot allow himself to be seen as a loser. That has to be one major reason behind his claims, and, as we’ve seen, the most fruitcake conspiracy theories are advanced, in a truly desperate attempt to steal the election, and avoid being a loser. Literally. He’ll always be a winner in his alternative reality.

That said, I believe another goal is to convince his followers that he did win the 2020 election, and, by so doing, help cripple a Biden administration from the get go. This is putting self above country. And that too is to be expected from Trump. He will always put himself before his nation. And this has indeed worked with his followers, and Republicans in general. Which is damaging to our democracy. So many times he accused others of being the “enemies of the people”. But it is Trump who was America’s biggest enemy, and he still is...
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It's hilarious how he went into a month of isolation during his meltdown, talk about a weak-***-bitch. Waking up every morning to see the news reports of his loss had him shattered.
 
Figuring out why Trump lost is actually pretty simple: it's just elementary math.

Look at the certified/almost certified results of most states and you'll see a constant: Trump lost 1 - 5 % points against his 2016 victory in the vast majority of states. Below shows how much ground Trump lost (or gained) in 2020 in every state. Red is bad, green is good, blue means no statistical change.

Where did Trump actually perform better than in 2016? Blue states in most cases. Of the seven states where Trump performed better than in 2016, only one was a swing state (Florida). Winning Arkansas was never in doubt for him as was Utah (McMullin not being on the ballot righted these numbers to more historical norms). He was never going to win the other deep blue states where he made some net gains.

Trump eroded support in 41 states total from 2016. Doesn't matter in a place like West Virginia, but sure matters in a state like Georgia. So when we talk about wanting to challenge election results, Trump is basically saying that fake votes are prevalent in nearly every state of the union and conspiring against him despite all being independent electors with representation across partisan lines.

Knowing above, should you really be surprised that Trump lost states like MI, WI, PA that he won by <1% in 2016 with these kinds of shifts? Only if you're so brainwashed that you can't understand the very concepts of arithmetic.

Alabama: -2.3%
Alaska: -4.7%
Arizona: -3.9%
Arkansas: +0.7%
California: +0.9%
Colorado: -8.6%
Connecticut: -6.4%
Delaware: -7.6%
D.C.: 0%
Florida: +2.2%
Georgia: -5.4%
Hawaii: +2.7%
Idaho: -1%
Illinois: +0.1%
Iowa: -1.2%
Indiana: -3.1%
Kansas: -5.5%
Kentucky: -3.9%
Louisiana: -1%
Maine: -6.1%
Maryland: -6.8%
Massachusetts: -6.3%
Michigan: -3%
Minnesota: -5.6%
Mississippi: -1.3%
Missouri: -3.3%
Montana: -4.1%
Nebraska: -5.9%
Nevada - 0%
New Jersey: -1.8%
New Hampshire: -7%
New Mexico: -2.6%
New York: +5.6%
North Carolina: -2.3%
North Dakota: -2.4%
Ohio: -0.1%
Oklahoma: -3.3%
Oregon: -5.1%
Pennsylvania: -1.9%
Rhode Island: -5.3%
South Carolina: -2.6%
South Dakota: -3.6%
Tennessee: -2.7%
Texas: -3.4%
Utah: +2.4%
Vermont: -9%
Virginia: -4.8%
Washington: -3.5%
West Virginia: -3.1%
Wisconsin: -1.4%
Wyoming: -2.9%
 
Red said:
Well, good on you. I live in one of the schoolboy hockey hotbeds in the United States. Many of our local kids have gone on to careers in the NHL. Mt. St. Charles Academy in Woonsocket, RI, is where most of our schoolboy hockey prodigies end up. And from there, college programs like Providence College, national champs a few years back, and then drafted by NHL teams. Lots of pro sports teams up the road in Boston, obviously, but hockey will always rule here in RI. So, as we’re fond of saying in RI: keep your stick on the ice!
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I don't know that any kids skating on my rink (or my dad's before me) have ever gone pro, but we have had several pro hockey players (both active and retired) skate on our ice. This is not a hotbed for hockey talent but we sure do have a lot of fun!
 
Avery said:
Figuring out why Trump lost is actually pretty simple: it's just elementary math.

Look at the certified/almost certified results of most states and you'll see a constant: Trump lost 1 - 5 % points against his 2016 victory in the vast majority of states. Below shows how much ground Trump lost (or gained) in 2020 in every state. Red is bad, green is good, blue means no statistical change.

Where did Trump actually perform better than in 2016? Blue states in most cases. Of the seven states where Trump performed better than in 2016, only one was a swing state (Florida). Winning Arkansas was never in doubt for him as was Utah (McMullin not being on the ballot righted these numbers to more historical norms). He was never going to win the other deep blue states where he made some net gains.

Trump eroded support in 41 states total from 2016. Doesn't matter in a place like West Virginia, but sure matters in a state like Georgia. So when we talk about wanting to challenge election results, Trump is basically saying that fake votes are prevalent in nearly every state of the union and conspiring against him despite all being independent electors with representation across partisan lines.

Knowing above, should you really be surprised that Trump lost states like MI, WI, PA that he won by
Alabama: -2.3%
Alaska: -4.7%
Arizona: -3.9%
Arkansas: +0.7%
California: +0.9%
Colorado: -8.6%
Connecticut: -6.4%
Delaware: -7.6%
D.C.: 0%
Florida: +2.2%
Georgia: -5.4%
Hawaii: +2.7%
Idaho: -1%
Illinois: +0.1%
Iowa: -1.2%
Indiana: -3.1%
Kansas: -5.5%
Kentucky: -3.9%
Louisiana: -1%
Maine: -6.1%
Maryland: -6.8%
Massachusetts: -6.3%
Michigan: -3%
Minnesota: -5.6%
Mississippi: -1.3%
Missouri: -3.3%
Montana: -4.1%
Nebraska: -5.9%
Nevada - 0%
New Jersey: -1.8%
New Hampshire: -7%
New Mexico: -2.6%
New York: +5.6%
North Carolina: -2.3%
North Dakota: -2.4%
Ohio: -0.1%
Oklahoma: -3.3%
Oregon: -5.1%
Pennsylvania: -1.9%
Rhode Island: -5.3%
South Carolina: -2.6%
South Dakota: -3.6%
Tennessee: -2.7%
Texas: -3.4%
Utah: +2.4%
Vermont: -9%
Virginia: -4.8%
Washington: -3.5%
West Virginia: -3.1%
Wisconsin: -1.4%
Wyoming: -2.9%
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Wait...I thought Babe said Biden only picked up votes in a few urban areas in a few ("contested") states.

Your numbers must be wrong...
 
GVC said:
Wait...I thought Babe said Biden only picked up votes in a few urban areas in a few ("contested") states.

Your numbers must be wrong...
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When you dive into district-level numbers, Trump actually did incrementally better with Hispanics. This can especially be seen along the Texas-Mexico border as well as places like East LA (and was very effective with getting the Cuban vote and limiting Hispanic turnout in places like Miami/Dade). He also performed a tick better amongst Blacks as black males tended to be better for him while black women stayed away.

Trump shed his support with the very people who helped propel him in 2016: White voters and Independents. It was really moderates who won the election for Biden - whether this was Trump fatigue, Covid, etc., these minute shifts delivered him the victory.

It will always be an interesting case study to see if this outcome would have been the same had not a center-leaning D like Biden were the nominee vs. your Bernie Sanders variety. I would also maintain that we'd be looking at Trump's second-term had he not bungled his Covid response in the first half of the year so poorly.
 
www.washingtontimes.com

Sidney Powell, ex-Trump campaign lawyer, shares post recommending military tribunals review election

Conservative lawyers alleging President Trump was the victim of an unproven election fraud conspiracy are calling on him to deploy the U.S. military over his projected defeat to Joseph R. Biden.
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www.snopes.com

Sidney Powell Lawsuit Cites Election Fraud in County That Doesn't Exist

Can a candidate receive more than 100% of the vote, recorded in a locale that isn't real?
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