Emperor Obama

[fishonjazz]

I think if you were to meet any of these presidents at, say, a JFC get together, or shoot the breeze while watching a game, the most affable is certainly Clinton.

I always thought I would enjoy george bush the most in a setting like you are describing.
Clinton would probably be pretty fun and easy going too though.

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[Beer]

I always thought I would enjoy george bush the most in a setting like you are describing.
Clinton would probably be pretty fun and easy going too though.

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I'd blaze on with Bush, Obama, or Clinton. All seem pleasant enough.

 

[fishonjazz]

I'd blaze on with Bush, Obama, or Clinton. All seem pleasant enough.

I feel like Obama would be a little too classy/well behaved for me. He couldn't keep up with me.

Bush and Clinton would probably be tons of fun though. I would worry about being able to keep up with them.

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[babe]

Unless Congress gets some laws passed quickly, any position Trump has set a precedent for by firing someone is a position whose person can be fired again.

Neither the President nor the Senate will support any law passed by this House of that sort.

There is a massive public sentiment against establishing unelected Executive Branch officials beyond the reach of an elected President, especially considering all the leaks and establishment opposition to chqanges the voters have been supporting since the Tea Party began showing resistance to the The Establishment.

oh, I dunno. Who the hell knows what Trump and McConnell will do, since it's looking more and more like they're the patsies of the Establishment themselves.

I think the SES system needs to be cleared entirely, and the "legislative" and "judicial" functions of Executive Branch agencies drawn and quartered and sent to the four corners of the Republic.

 

[babe]

To me, Obama was the most likable president. He was down to earth and relatable.

I've heard accounts from the likes of Secret Service personnel that Clinton was very pleasant and treated them well, like the Bushes but even nicer. But hillary.... Holy Hell.... she's a witch.

No doubt Obama can be pleasant to the peons as well as anyone.

But it's rather like having to enjoy people in person who are selling you down the river in a slaver.

 

[babe]

Which "philosopher" writes about the "Arrogance of Power"

Google comes back with an ex US Senator who's got a pretty weird set of ideas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._William_Fulbright

Fulbright did write the book of that title, but imo his use of the term was a kind of prostitution of the concept. I think it goes back at least to some of the philosophers of the early nineteenth century, but it was perfectly understood by most braves in any sort of war party with a competent chief, in any tribe in history, in every kingdom in human history, as well as by my older brother. He knew what he could get away with, and he always did it.

It's like Nietzsche's "Will to Power". The idea is that the way to prove or establish absolute power is to show you are above the law. It's what dictators always have to do to prove they are in charge.

It should disturb JFC folks when dems do it as much as if anyone else does.

It was Putin's point when the West undertook to take Ukraine out of his basic control. Referring to the UN and globalism generally, he claimed the new order was essentially not "New Law" but "No Law", and that the West would ignore any treating or agreement of line of understanding at will if he did not stand up to it. I think Xi sees the same problem. However you may analyze it, Globalism is on shaky footing when the major powers are all dictators and no one intends to abide by any agreement.

 

[Surely]

I think if you were to meet any of these presidents at, say, a JFC get together, or shoot the breeze while watching a game, the most affable is certainly Clinton.

If I'm there with my wife then I'm not sure Clinton is the ex president that I want to hang with (I probably wouldn't want Biden there either). ; )

 

[One Brow]

There is a massive public sentiment against establishing unelected Executive Branch officials ...

I'm sure it seems massive in some circles, especially those fond of a POTUS with unchecked authority (until one of the other party is elected).

I think the SES system needs to be cleared entirely, and the "legislative" and "judicial" functions of Executive Branch agencies drawn and quartered and sent to the four corners of the Republic.

I'm in favor of decentralizing a lot of the power.

 

[babe]

I'm sure it seems massive in some circles, especially those fond of a POTUS with unchecked authority (until one of the other party is elected).



I'm in favor of decentralizing a lot of the power.

Today, the Mark Levin show replayed his March 2, 2017 analysis of the unfolding attacks on Trump and his new set of honchos, Flynn, Sessions and such. He pulled quotes out of the NY Times coverage and the Washington Post which actually revealed Obama's direction of these attacks.... He called it the scandal of the entire US history. Never before had an outgoing President so acted to destroy an incoming elected President of the US.

Obama in his last few weeks changed the practices of our intelligence agencies to allow many more officials access to FISA reports and to unmask them, and he said Obama's reason for doing this was to try to cover his tracks and make it harder to unravel.

I'll keep this brief, but access to many official records now shows this was absolutely the correct analysis.

Some conservatives say the only way Obama can be prosecuted is by impeachment by the House. He might not be at risk for any prison time, no felony conviction by the Judiciary, maybe the loss of some of his Presidential Perks who kinows. Don't we have an island like St. Helena where we can put our Napoleons??? Or does today the itinerary of one posh hotel after another around the world work just as effectively for sequestering or diverting our political has-beens?

But, clearly, History must absolutely discredit Obama for doing this. Lesser personnel all acted at his direction while in office, and even after he was out of office.

 

[babe]

A few more thoughts for the Sir Kickies among us.

I clearly acknowledge the need for international organizations and governance, but the most difficult obstacle, imo, is establishing fair and equitable laws and equality of rights. Having a lot of corrupt honchos doing international or intranational self-aggrandizing deals is inimical to the hope of any kind of good governance.

 

[sirkickyass]

Fulbright did write the book of that title, but imo his use of the term was a kind of prostitution of the concept. I think it goes back at least to some of the philosophers of the early nineteenth century

But who though? I'm asking you pretty clearly to name any philosophers who wrote and used that phrase, cause it seems to me like you're just bullshitting again.

It was Putin's point when the West undertook to take Ukraine out of his basic control.

LOL. I think you might get some argument from all the Ukrainians who declared independence in 1991, while Putin was still working in the St. Petersburg mayor's office.

 

[babe]

But who though? I'm asking you pretty clearly to name any philosophers who wrote and used that phrase, cause it seems to me like you're just bullshitting again.



LOL. I think you might get some argument from all the Ukrainians who declared independence in 1991, while Putin was still working in the St. Petersburg mayor's office.

I'll accept your query and your representation that I'm "bullshitting again". I did study philosophy some when I was in college, though I think my wife at that time did most of the actual reading of the books. She later got her invite as a Rhodes Scholar and went to England, to Oxford, and though she left me in the dust so to speak, her political skills were such an asset. She got fed up not only with me, but with Mormonism, and followed her career in banking and is today, I think..... I haven't talked to her in almost thirty years now...... a senior vice president at a pretty impressive bank. She was for some while, when Dubbya was Governor in Texas, by her own account, a regular in his little set of enlightened superiors.

You want explicit adoption of the phrase "Arrogance of Power", which Fulbright used as the title of his book about the global manners implicit in any Imperial sort of extensive world influence or outright dominion. I think a Fulbright would use it as a deplorable sort of bad manners in international politics, which we should make every appearance of having left behind as a relic of past politics. I think his book ranks as a leading and perhaps now an "early" persuasion that it is not only needless but problematic in the new age. But I adopted the term to suit my own argument about Hillary, Obama, and now Biden being "above the law" because of their political usefulness as true idiots. Nor should I, really, exclude Trump, from the list.

So, because you asked, and especially because you asked nicely, I will follow this bs with some research as good as I can manage. Because at least theoretically, I don't really like to be an idiot myself.