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Obama did increase the power of the presidential office. Some of what Trump is doing today is the fault of Obama for setting a precedent for a president to over step his office. Way too many executive orders from him.

Lol, at a lot of that though.

I think that’s one of the things that fueled the reaction to the election of Trump. There was a generally believed sentiment that republicans would never win another presidential election if they didn’t ____ or if they continued to do ____, and the expansion of executive power was ignored and dismissed. I think a lot of people were confronted with that reality when they realized someone they didn’t want having all that power now had all that power. Up until that point, many were content with the expansion of executive power because they had no reason not to trust it, and couldn’t foresee it changing hands.

The executive branch can do nothing but contort itself (read: become corrupted) when Congress is in partisan deadlock. The core problem here comes down to all that is fueling the corruption of Party Politics. **** still has to get done, but through these gambits now.

The bigger scandal between Obama’s executive orders and what the DNC did to Bernie (one example among many in both parties)? Easily the latter.
 
The executive branch can do nothing but contort itself (read: become corrupted) when Congress is in partisan deadlock. The core problem here comes down to all that is fueling the corruption of Party Politics. **** still has to get done, but through these gambits now.

The bigger scandal between Obama’s executive orders and what the DNC did to Bernie (one example among many in both parties)? Easily the latter.

Although I have always seen "America" as a social frontier with actual opportunity for the poor, the dispossessed, the downtrodden and the political refugees from counties already ossified with Establishment Power, and love the hope of a Constitutional Republic built on federalism..... the splitting or sharing of power geographically towards the nearest possible governance, with lots of checks and balances against any concentration of power at any level...….

I just want you to know your opinion here is dead right.

The reality we have now is "The Club" as perhaps generally cultivated by the Council on Foreign Relations, which invites new members and provides indoctrinating speakers to monthly meetings, provides a leading magazine I subscribe to and read, and opportunities for social and business networking. And a sort of code of behavior. Non-attribution. You're not supposed to carry gossip about others in the club. Someone grossly violated that code when they took a video, by phone most likely, of Joe Biden bragging about how he school Ukraine into submiission, and let it loose publicly. I bet that person lost his membership, for life.

The CFR is a sort of glue that makes Establishment Dems and Republicans a sort of UniParty.

Trump even went to the national CFR chief and sought support for his candidacy. But with a radical departure from the general globalism of the day like MAGA, he drew fire instead.

I share the concern expressed above in several posts about Trump also exceeding his Constitutional authority, as he has done in signing some unconstitutional legislation and in trade dealing and the PanPanic measures.
 
Although I have always seen "America" as a social frontier with actual opportunity for the poor, the dispossessed, the downtrodden and the political refugees from counties already ossified with Establishment Power, and love the hope of a Constitutional Republic built on federalism..... the splitting or sharing of power geographically towards the nearest possible governance, with lots of checks and balances against any concentration of power at any level...….

I just want you to know your opinion here is dead right.

The reality we have now is "The Club" as perhaps generally cultivated by the Council on Foreign Relations, which invites new members and provides indoctrinating speakers to monthly meetings, provides a leading magazine I subscribe to and read, and opportunities for social and business networking. And a sort of code of behavior. Non-attribution. You're not supposed to carry gossip about others in the club. Someone grossly violated that code when they took a video, by phone most likely, of Joe Biden bragging about how he school Ukraine into submiission, and let it loose publicly. I bet that person lost his membership, for life.

The CFR is a sort of glue that makes Establishment Dems and Republicans a sort of UniParty.

Trump even went to the national CFR chief and sought support for his candidacy. But with a radical departure from the general globalism of the day like MAGA, he drew fire instead.

I share the concern expressed above in several posts about Trump also exceeding his Constitutional authority, as he has done in signing some unconstitutional legislation and in trade dealing and the PanPanic measures.
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People thought that? Dummies. There will always be Republican presidents and there will always be Democratic presidents as long as the nation is as evenly split as it currently is (and has been) and we have a 2 party system.

I would like there to be no republican OR Democratic president. Would love to see an American president who wanted to represent and help all americans. Won't happen as long as there is so much vitriol and partisanship. Not enough incentive for change maybe. I don't know.

Politics sure do suck as they currently function in our collective every day life. They provide so much hate and negativity in the collective populations lives.

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Remember that opinion is generally from people who cannot fathom that other people would disagree with them, so there is no way any rational person would vote against their guy, hence there is no way their guy will ever lose and when they do it is a shock and awe situation that needs to be corrected for the good of the nation.
 
No one has ramped up executive power more than Trump, and no one who listed to Trump's campaign should have been surprised by it.
How is this quantified? To me it has seemed he is more bluster than action and really hasn't done that much. Most of his focus has been on undoing. Has he issued more executive orders than any other president? I didn't see him in that infographic.
 
How is this quantified? To me it has seemed he is more bluster than action and really hasn't done that much. Most of his focus has been on undoing. Has he issued more executive orders than any other president? I didn't see him in that infographic.

I don't recall any other President being so disruptive regarding various inspector generals, and similar positions designed to check Presidential power.
 
I don't recall any other President being so disruptive regarding various inspector generals, and similar positions designed to check Presidential power.
I see that too, but I am not sure that qualifies as "no one has done it more". Recency bias a bit maybe?
 
I see that too, but I am not sure that qualifies as "no one has done it more". Recency bias a bit maybe?

It's entirely possible. The only scandal I can recall that comes close is Nixon firing the Attorney General and the Deputy Attorney General because they refused to for the special prosecutor, before he found Bork to do the the job. I'm sure there were some things earlier on, but the Presidency overall had much less power then.
 
Somehow it only gets crazier.

Things can be viewed in all kinds of crazy ways.

I should like to somehow get you to see. You can hardly make a difference going on being duped and used by the powers that be.

While I am not sure exactly what the truth really is about other people, I would hope I could be free to act for myself, and that others would do so as well within their rights.

For sure, if we don't prosecute high officials who egregiously violate our laws, the only "rule of law" we can have is what philosophers refer to as "The Arrogance of Power."
 
Obama is famous for his legislative claim to power through his pen. He also did a significantly increased job of expanding bureaucracy with people he figured would do his program. While Trump has cut some regulations he does the emperoric swagger quite well. The reason "Establishment: sorts of both parties hate him is because if he is not reducing governance he is building a counter-Establishment they can't expect to run in his wake.
 
Obama is famous for his legislative claim to power through his pen. He also did a significantly increased job of expanding bureaucracy with people he figured would do his program. While Trump has cut some regulations he does the emperoric swagger quite well. The reason "Establishment: sorts of both parties hate him is because if he is not reducing governance he is building a counter-Establishment they can't expect to run in his wake.

Unless Congress gets some laws passed quickly, any position Trump has set a precedent for by firing someone is a position whose person can be fired again.
 
To me, Obama was the most likable president. He was down to earth and relatable.
I think if you were to meet any of these presidents at, say, a JFC get together, or shoot the breeze while watching a game, the most affable is certainly Clinton.
 
Which "philosopher" writes about the "Arrogance of Power"

Google comes back with an ex US Senator who's got a pretty weird set of ideas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._William_Fulbright
I think if you were to meet any of these presidents at, say, a JFC get together, or shoot the breeze while watching a game, the most affable is certainly Clinton.

I'd probably like any president if I had the chance to meet them. Trump is pushing it though. Dude is so crazy he's entertaining.
 
I think if you were to meet any of these presidents at, say, a JFC get together, or shoot the breeze while watching a game, the most affable is certainly Clinton.
I always thought I would enjoy george bush the most in a setting like you are describing.
Clinton would probably be pretty fun and easy going too though.

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I'd blaze on with Bush, Obama, or Clinton. All seem pleasant enough.
I feel like Obama would be a little too classy/well behaved for me. He couldn't keep up with me.

Bush and Clinton would probably be tons of fun though. I would worry about being able to keep up with them.

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Unless Congress gets some laws passed quickly, any position Trump has set a precedent for by firing someone is a position whose person can be fired again.


Neither the President nor the Senate will support any law passed by this House of that sort.

There is a massive public sentiment against establishing unelected Executive Branch officials beyond the reach of an elected President, especially considering all the leaks and establishment opposition to chqanges the voters have been supporting since the Tea Party began showing resistance to the The Establishment.

oh, I dunno. Who the hell knows what Trump and McConnell will do, since it's looking more and more like they're the patsies of the Establishment themselves.

I think the SES system needs to be cleared entirely, and the "legislative" and "judicial" functions of Executive Branch agencies drawn and quartered and sent to the four corners of the Republic.
 
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