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Excited for Hayward

mellow said:
Its true, The Thunder really wanted him, they just didn't have the assetts to move up in the draft.
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They have assets, just not any that they wanted to give up for Honzward. I would have traded the pick for Russell Westbrook or Kevin Durrant. They could have even had CJ as a kicker. So if they say they didn't have the assets, it means, they really didn't want him that bad.

I guess the same thing could be said for JOC and the Jazz. They didn't want to give up what it would take to move up.
 
This is what the organization has been depending on for years now. Die-hard fans finding ways to delude themselves in order to avoid the emotional pain of knowing your favorite team has no shot at glory. I guess as long as fans have that deep emotional connection KOC and his goons will continue to get away with astonishing levels of incompetence with zero accountability from either the owner or the fans. What a sweet deal if you're O'Connor.
 
MH 6'-6.5"
GH 6'-6.75"
MH 226 lbs as a senior at Ga Tech
GH 211 as Soph
MH in 36 games as soph 36.9 min 51.0 fg% 42.9 3p% 76.2 ft% 8.1 reb 2.2 assists 2.4 TO 0.1 blocks 1.8 steals 18.6 points
GH in 37 games as soph 35.5 min 46.4 fg% 29.4 3p% 82.9 ft% 8.2 reb 1.7 assists 2.3 TO 0.8 blocks 1.1 steals 15.5 points

MH Scouting report- Has the right skill set to be a 3 in the NBA; he can
shoot the NBA 3-pointer and has decent rebounding ability to go with it.
Hustles all the time, very emotional player. May be limited in the NBA because
he isn't really quick enough to beat most NBA players off the dribble or to
defend most NBA 3's one-on-one. At worst a useful rotation forward; at best a
solid starter for a team that plays a lot of zone-like defenses and uses a
motion offense (Houston? Cleveland?). https://www.ibiblio.org/craig/draft/1998_draft/Players/harpring.htm


Souting report Hayward-

While his game has some scouts swearing by his ability to emerge as a Mike Miller-type complementary scorer, Hayward still has his detractors. His status as a small conference star with questionable athleticism elicits a wide spectrum of opinions when projecting him to the next level.


A large part of the variation in scouts’ sentiments about Hayward is his physical profile. While he has excellent size for a NBA small forward at, he spent a great deal of time at the power forward spot last season and lacks the prototypical athleticism that would allow him to seamlessly transition his game to the next level. He’s not terribly explosive and will have to answer some questions about his lateral quickness and defensive ability. But he also has positive attributes. He displays good speed and shows tremendous body control. His ability to use those tools to effectively complement his outstanding basketball IQ and perimeter stroke remains a subject of debate.

Looking at Hayward’s body of work, it is difficult to knock what he could bring to the table in a complementary role. Smart and savvy, he is a coach’s dream. But his lack of athleticism raises questions about his long-term potential. Hayward is being projected all over the board at this point. It will be interesting to see how his stock changes throughout the draft process.


From DraftExpress.com https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Gordon-Hayward-5514/#ixzz0rqIL8k1r
https://www.draftexpress.com
 
MH 6'-6.5"
GH 6'-6.75"
MH 226 lbs as a senior at Ga Tech
GH 211 as Soph
MH in 36 games as soph 36.9 min 51.0 fg% 42.9 3p% 76.2 ft% 8.1 reb 2.2 assists 2.4 TO 0.1 blocks 1.8 steals 18.6 points
GH in 37 games as soph 35.5 min 46.4 fg% 29.4 3p% 82.9 ft% 8.2 reb 1.7 assists 2.3 TO 0.8 blocks 1.1 steals 15.5 points

MH Scouting report- Has the right skill set to be a 3 in the NBA; he can
shoot the NBA 3-pointer and has decent rebounding ability to go with it.
Hustles all the time, very emotional player. May be limited in the NBA because
he isn't really quick enough to beat most NBA players off the dribble or to
defend most NBA 3's one-on-one. At worst a useful rotation forward; at best a
solid starter for a team that plays a lot of zone-like defenses and uses a
motion offense (Houston? Cleveland?). https://www.ibiblio.org/craig/draft/1998_draft/Players/harpring.htm


Souting report Hayward-

While his game has some scouts swearing by his ability to emerge as a Mike Miller-type complementary scorer, Hayward still has his detractors. His status as a small conference star with questionable athleticism elicits a wide spectrum of opinions when projecting him to the next level.


A large part of the variation in scouts’ sentiments about Hayward is his physical profile. While he has excellent size for a NBA small forward at, he spent a great deal of time at the power forward spot last season and lacks the prototypical athleticism that would allow him to seamlessly transition his game to the next level. He’s not terribly explosive and will have to answer some questions about his lateral quickness and defensive ability. But he also has positive attributes. He displays good speed and shows tremendous body control. His ability to use those tools to effectively complement his outstanding basketball IQ and perimeter stroke remains a subject of debate.

Looking at Hayward’s body of work, it is difficult to knock what he could bring to the table in a complementary role. Smart and savvy, he is a coach’s dream. But his lack of athleticism raises questions about his long-term potential. Hayward is being projected all over the board at this point. It will be interesting to see how his stock changes throughout the draft process.


From DraftExpress.com https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Gordon-Hayward-5514/#ixzz0rqIL8k1r
https://www.draftexpress.com
 
mellow said:
Looking at Hayward’s body of work, it is difficult to knock what he could bring to the table in a complementary role. Smart and savvy, he is a coach’s dream. But his lack of athleticism raises questions about his long-term potential.
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So as to getting help now, it's not going to happen. KOC said, "wait two years and see what he becomes" when everyone was booing him at the ESA after the pick. He isn't very athletic either. So he's another two to three year project that we'll probably trade as a salary dump and maybe get a second round draft pick for and a trade exception.

Last but not least, we still don't have anyone big that can play D.
 
I think Hayward could end up being a good player in the NBA... but I'm not sure how it's gonna work out in Utah. Sloan, who will still be here long after Hayward retires (and probably dies), runs an offense built around a PG/PF... and I can't seem to remember a single outstanding SF to come through the "system" in the last 20 years.

So even if Hayward does turn out to be special, I don't think we will see much beyond what we already have in Miles/Matthews due to the inherent limitations of Sloan's system.

Because of that, the Jazz should either have worked even harder to trade up or they should have traded down for additional assets... you don't waste a #9 pick on a guy who can never be more than a system role player.
 
MilesDeep said:
I believe Okur will come back better than ever, and stronger than ever. Rehab from this injury will be by far the hardest work he's ever done, he may actually increase his vertical from 2.5 to 3".
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Agree, a good pick. No real other options other than Aldrich, and people would bitch the same about him, cuz he is white too.
 
chitownjazz said:
On the old board back in December I posted a thread about Kyle Singler and Gordon Hayward as possibilities for the Knicks pick. I got laughed off and belittled by every poster saying "way too early"...Including Honz - thats a fact. So I'm happy we got him, but as far as getting a wing who can create and contribute now Babbitt should've been our guy. I still am high on Hayward, but even higher on Babbitt. We'll see.

I'm amazed at how many have been panicking about this pick.
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Bump for Honz. Would love a response.
 
This pick is going to go down as one of the worst in francise history.
Try and find a way to love it, I cannot. This kid is not an NBA player.
No way in hell is he a lottery pick.

KOC just cemented this team's fate, and his own.
 
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