Except one group is "forcing" fairness, equality, and basic human rights, while the other group is...
TLDR Fuhrer.
Except one group is "forcing" fairness, equality, and basic human rights, while the other group is...
I appreciate you have a very strong opinion on this, and for you it is firmly founded. I have no expectation you will change your mind.
That said, when you are defending the position formulated by Beantown against the position of Darkwing Duck, I really think it's time to carefully examine if those strong emotions are coloring your judgement regarding the worth of the particular argument being used.
WE, THE FIRST PRESIDENCY and the Council of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, solemnly proclaim that marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God and that the family is central to the Creator’s plan for the eternal destiny of His children.
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THE FIRST COMMANDMENT that God gave to Adam and Eve pertained to their potential for parenthood as husband and wife. We declare that God’s commandment for His children to multiply and replenish the earth remains in force. We further declare that God has commanded that the sacred powers of procreation are to be employed only between man and woman, lawfully wedded as husband and wife.
WE DECLARE the means by which mortal life is created to be divinely appointed. We affirm the sanctity of life and of its importance in God’s eternal plan.
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THE FAMILY is ordained of God. Marriage between man and woman is essential to His eternal plan. Children are entitled to birth within the bonds of matrimony, and to be reared by a father and a mother who honor marital vows with complete fidelity.
TLDR Fuhrer.
If they are not equal, is one better than the other?
You forgot the semicolon, dummy.
That's why I don't usually enter gay marriage discussions. The same is true of both sides--opinions are very strong, and it's highly unlikely either side can/will say anything to cause the other side to change its mind.
I haven't mentioned anything remotely religious yet in anything I've said about gay marriage recently, since I feel that no religious arguments are needed, but perhaps now is the time to break out a religious quote. Regardless of how you feel about Beantown, I think I'm standing in good company when I agree with Gordon B. Hinckley, Thomas S. Monson, and James E. Faust--to whom traditional marriage was clearly important and clearly different than gay marriage.
From: https://www.lds.org/topics/family-proclamation
That's mainly for the benefit of the pro gay marriage LDS members in the crowd (because I don't expect the nonLDS people to necessarily value the opinion of those men, but hopefully the LDS members do). While I'm the first to admit that LDS church leaders are fallible (yes, even the prophet), to use One Brow's phrase I would very carefully examine (i.e. ponder and pray) the strong emotions coloring my judgment regarding the worth of the particular arguments being used if I were that opposed to their clear teachings (in my opinion) on the subject.
So a childless marriage isn't a family then. Gotcha.
A couple who adopts a child isn't a family. Gotcha.
Biologically yes. If homosexuality is evolutionary trait then it is a "weak" trait.
As a very active Mo (I'm Jack, nice to meet you), I have no problem with anything you said there. I don't begrudge these men their beliefs or teachings. Like you and them, I agree, traditional marriage is clearly important and clearly different than gay marriage. That doesn't mean that just because someone chooses to be different than me, it is my duty to force them to be like me, or take away/deny them basic human rights and freedoms because they don't. It really is very simple: Love one another. Be excellent to each other. Party on, dude.
Chooses to be different? Who wants to open this can of worms while speeding down a slippery slope?
So if someone has downs, I suppose that could be an evolutionary trait that is "weak" also then? I'm seriously asking, because your implications are scary.
Lol you are so dumb. Down syndrome by its name is a "syndrome". It's an abnormality. Are you saying that homosexuality is an abnormality and a syndrome?
If homosexuality is a genetic trait that is passed on that is evolutionary weak. Its as weak as it gets. Its a trait that makes that person not pass on the genetic information to other generations.
Lol you are so dumb. Down syndrome by its name is a "syndrome". It's an abnormality. Are you saying that homosexuality is an abnormality and a syndrome?
If homosexuality is a genetic trait that is passed on that is evolutionary weak. Its as weak as it gets. Its a trait that makes that person not pass on the genetic information to other generations.
they do still reproduce - you know that, don't you?
Lol you are so dumb. Down syndrome by its name is a "syndrome". It's an abnormality. Are you saying that homosexuality is an abnormality and a syndrome?
If homosexuality is a genetic trait that is passed on that is evolutionary weak. Its as weak as it gets. Its a trait that makes that person not pass on the genetic information to other generations.
As a very active Mo (I'm Jack, nice to meet you), I have no problem with anything you said there. I don't begrudge these men their beliefs or teachings. Like you and them, I agree, traditional marriage is clearly important and clearly different than gay marriage. That doesn't mean that just because someone chooses to be different than me, it is my duty to force them to be like me, or take away/deny them basic human rights and freedoms because they don't. It really is very simple: Love one another. Be excellent to each other. Party on, dude.