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Gay Nightclub mass shooting -- Orlando, Florida

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Boris said:
I feel a strong desire to point out that most USA violence is drug on drug related. Meaning gang turf wars and the like. USA has a drug problem not a violence problem.

Funny aside is Reagans stupid war on drugs actually lowered the cost of illicit drugs as the pesticide sprays targeted MJ much better than cocoa and the product is higher profit and easier to smuggle and more addictive.

Modern studies are showing The War On Drugs has actually lowered crime through cheaper costs and increased accessibility. In essence, if a person does not have to snatch as many purses because prices are much cheaper crime rates have gone way down. As a true libertarian, I hate the criminalization and all the police stop and frisk targeting that is credited with lowering crack related crime. We know arresting a drug dealer does nothing more than create an open job position and potentially increase drug prices temporarily and thus violence.

End the war on drugs!
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I disagree. I think America has both. Not all violence = death. Not all drug problems = violence. Sure there is some overlap but one is not solely a symptom of the other.
 
stitches said:
- radical Islamists don't operate only on US soil and their victims in Muslim majority countries are much more numerous
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Why would you think that? If we were to calculate body count, you would be amazed how many Muslims are dead or banished from their homes because of Shiite and Sunni radical Islamist groups.


Edit: nevermind I got it the opposite way. Sorry.
 
Stoked said:
I disagree. I think America has both. Not all violence = death. Not all drug problems = violence. Sure there is some overlap but one is not solely a symptom of the other.
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That was poorly worded. Drug related violence problem may have been better. I have not the time now so I will show you proof that 75% of violence in USA is related to drug trade. You will be shocked.
 
We could be the lowest crime rate in the world if we sold OTC cheap meth crack and heroin in every CVS pharmacy.
 
fishonjazz said:
Bern fostered a culture of hate towards bern I this very thread. Seems hypocritical to me.
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fishonjazz said:
Well Jim less is showing tons of hate to people who think like bern. Therefore creating a culture of hate for people who think like bern (christians).

So if someone shoots up a church then that means jim les contributed to that shooting right?
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Why are these posts directed at me? Did I comment on the way JimLes expressed himself? Do you have an issue with the actual content of my posts?
 
https://www.csdp.org/edcs/page24.htm

Rationale: Violence itself can be successfully dealt with as a public health problem. It is important to consider the fact that most “drug-related” violence is actually drug trade related. In an analysis of New York City's homicides in 1988, Paul Goldstein and his colleagues concluded that 74 percent of drug-related homicides were related to the black market drug trade and not drug use. For instance, the leading crack-related homicide cause was shown to be territorial disputes between rival dealers, and not crack-induced violence or violence (predatory thieving) to obtain money for crack purchases.64

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TroutBum said:
I spent the hour teaching my Sundayschool class yesterday about tolerance, love, and respect for our brothers and sisters (We Mo's sometimes forget that we fought hand in hand, as brothers and sisters, against evil, in the preexistance). Judging others is thankfully not up to us, and that we have the easier job of simply loving one another. In short, life is too short and precious to waste time hating (with the exception of The Lakers and DuhBron), so stop being dicks.

I'll probably be asked to not teach anymore. *fingers crossed*
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You gave a Sunday School lesson on tolerance? Wow.
 
fishonjazz said:
Well Jim less is showing tons of hate to people who think like bern. Therefore creating a culture of hate for people who think like bern (christians).
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This has nothing to do with being Christian and everything to do with being a hypocrite and an idiot in general. I'll remind you once again, that we're talking about a post wherein someone said "Look, I don't like gays either, but I wouldn't go as far as killing them."

And I know you know better than to compare hypothetical violence towards Christians with the very real violence that happened in Orlando. And happens all the time to LGBTQ+ people.
 
stitches said:
There are a couple of serious difference though. Namely - radical Islamists don't operate only on US soil and their victims in Muslim majority countries are much more numerous AND second which is even more important, there is a difference in the stated goals and intentions - the killers in Chicago don't want to spread their vicious version of Islam throughout the world and don't want to kill as many non-Muslims or not-pure-enough Muslims through any means possible.

Don't get me wrong, gun violence and gang violence is a very serious problem that needs to be tackled with utmost seriousness, but the Chicago killers are not looking to maximize their indiscriminate killing count and are not looking to acquire weapons of mass destruction, while if Al Qaeda or ISIS had a nuclear bomb, do you think they'd hesitate to use it on highly populated area with civilians?

That's the biggest difference and that's the reason it should be taken VERY seriously even if the victim count doesn't currently rise to levels of other domestic threats. Where they have most control, there are daily mass killings and executions of innocent people, and if they are not challenged and fought, this cancer will spread and sooner or later they will find a way to acquire even worse weapons and use them against even more people.
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They are being challenged and fought, by other muslims. We should support those efforts but we should not go further than that. The US cannot hope to win a Muslim civil war. Isis is losing. They are being defeated by other Muslims, the Shiite Iraqi's in the southeast, the Kurds in the Northeast, and the Sunni Arab SDF from the northwest. When they accomplish the destruction of ISIS, which they will, it will be a Muslim victory a Muslim repudiation of what Isis stands for. We could go in there and topple Raqqah in the time it took us to drive there but we will not have defeated Isis.

In the mean time we really don't need to panic about Muslims or Isis. You're still much more likely to be killed by a family member than a radical islamist. We're all actually pretty damn safe.
 
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