I had this nice cleverly organized response, but decided not to pull the trigger on it, it was too mean for me to actually hit the post button.
I'm walking way. Carry on with your agenda.
I think his point was just that ****ed up **** happens and it has always happened, the internet just makes the information easier to see.
Go back into the Archives. We have learned that there is no point. He was just getting started with that pretending to be innocent post. In some ways he reminds me of Salty, and we should know by now that Salty will never, ever, ever admit he was wrong on even a single point. I'm not really into playing that semantics game right now.
I didn't see any links, statistics, or journal entries to back anything up, so as of right now it is just an opinion.
I think Brow is going to be bothered with your post because it did not address the issue, it was just tagging people. Shame on you.
What about when they take the cucumber out of the fridge?
Okay... I don't really know much about the history of Jazzfanz members. But as far as this argument is concerned, I've always thought the sentiment One Brow expressed was a given. I come from a patriarchal society, and I've always considered it obvious that rape is under-reported in such cultures. This view may be incorrect, as I haven't actually seen any data to back it up, but it's not like you've never heard that before.
Anytime you speak negatively about any kind of religious thing, certain members will jump all over you or deem your opinion bad. There are some posters who do seem to bring it up way too much though. I think there is some truth what Onebrow is saying. This guy used his religious background to create a sense of trust that he used against the women. That could be done other ways, but religion is a pretty easy way to do it.
If he had an argument, perhaps a refutation would be appropriate. But here he has just posted crap with no real evidence.
Let's be very clear: OneBrow was not talking about patriarchal societies in general. He was talking about the LDS society in specific. So if he has any stats to back up his opinion about LDS society I'd be glad to hear them. But I suspect he does not and that he was just talking crap, letting his anti-religious agenda get in the way of his reason.
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I'm not so sure that religion comes into play so much as his money, power, and fame.
I have no doubt he used religion (obviously) to prey on women that were either,
A. Looking for someone special. He came across as meeting several expectations that many women, especially LDS, would have. He seemed to be confident, spiritual, well established, and intelligent (Like I said, not exactly limited to LDS women). He also talked about his mission, temple recommends, and BYU education. Though that may fool many, I'm not sure it would fool all. It has been my experience that most "spiritual" people don't need to go parading about announcing their accomplishments.
B. He was a well known figure in politics. He mingled with folks like Mike Lee, Chaffetz, and the governor. In one of his rapes he threatened to report a girl who was on an expired visa. Considering how well known he was in politics, I'm sure this threat burned this poor girl to the core and thus allowed him to take advantage of her. In fact, I'm guessing she's lived a sad tortured life since the rape. The memories of the rape must haunt her and the fear of him following through and getting her deported too.
He owned his own company. I think women would fear more, going to war against a big money making machine with political clout than going up against your average Joe Sixpack.
So while I'm not ready to completely dismiss that religion influenced how the women reported these incidents or how the investigation was handled, I do believe his money, fame, and power could and probably did.
Which is exactly why it's so sweet that he got caught. A complete narcissist who thought that he could use those opportunities/gifts/accomplishments he had to abuse women like toilet paper. I guess money can't buy you everything... But he sure can buy you one hell of a defense attorney.
I have no doubt he used religion (obviously) to prey on women that were either,
A. Looking for someone special. He came across as meeting several expectations that many women, especially LDS, would have. He seemed to be confident, spiritual, well established, and intelligent (Like I said, not exactly limited to LDS women). He also talked about his mission, temple recommends, and BYU education. Though that may fool many, I'm not sure it would fool all. It has been my experience that most "spiritual" people don't need to go parading about announcing their accomplishments.
B. He was a well known figure in politics. He mingled with folks like Mike Lee, Chaffetz, and the governor. In one of his rapes he threatened to report a girl who was on an expired visa. Considering how well known he was in politics, I'm sure this threat burned this poor girl to the core and thus allowed him to take advantage of her. In fact, I'm guessing she's lived a sad tortured life since the rape. The memories of the rape must haunt her and the fear of him following through and getting her deported too.
He owned his own company. I think women would fear more, going to war against a big money making machine with political clout than going up against your average Joe Sixpack.
So while I'm not ready to completely dismiss that religion influenced how the women reported these incidents or how the investigation was handled, I do believe his money, fame, and power could and probably did.
Which is exactly why it's so sweet that he got caught. A complete narcissist who thought that he could use those opportunities/gifts/accomplishments he had to abuse women like toilet paper. I guess money can't buy you everything... But he sure can buy you one hell of a defense attorney.
So it basically seems like he used his religious background/beliefs to lure them in, and his political power to keep them quiet.