I hate rapists...

[Siro]

Let's be very clear: OneBrow was not talking about patriarchal societies in general. He was talking about the LDS society in specific. So if he has any stats to back up his opinion about LDS society I'd be glad to hear them. But I suspect he does not and that he was just talking crap, letting his anti-religious agenda get in the way of his reason.

This is the first result I found on Google. Didn't look at the others:

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/515039389/90-of-Provo-rapes-not-reported-to-police.html

 

[Deleted member 365]

So it basically seems like he used his religious background/beliefs to lure them in, and his political power to keep them quiet.

I think so.

In Utah I'm thinking the dating pool is incredible to returned missionaries... Especially those who are/have been in the BYU crowd.

Now... I'm not so sure if it's THAT great once you past the Singles Ward age...

But I think it's obvious that he used church owned or affiliated websites and church activities/meetings to meet new women and to win their trust (at least scoring a date with them).

And I think it's plenty obvious that he used his political power and money to keep these women quiet. I especially feel for the one who he threatened to deport. That just seems... Even lower... To get his rape in...

When you look at his facebook page (LOL. It's still visible) you can see a lot of people talking about him. One in particular said that once they hung out and she thought he was really creepy. She bailed early on their date and went back home. While at home he showed up. Quickly, she locked the door. He knocked and knocked. Then, he tried to open the door, turning the door handle...

Creepy.

One of my friends was at some finance conference with him just a week ago. They met. She's only 24 (he's 39). he asked her out. Luckily she had a BF but she thought he was really forward and creepy. She told me about this incident this morning. There's not doubt in my mind he did those things.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

This is the first result I found on Google. Didn't look at the others:

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/515039389/90-of-Provo-rapes-not-reported-to-police.html

So the score is:
One Brow: 1
Colton: 0

Lemmon said most Provo residents are religious and have a tendency to stigmatize discussion of sexual assault and sometimes to demonize the survivor.

 

[northeast]

He chose the right kind of target. Women in patriarchal religions face too much victim-blaming from their support systems when they are raped.

I wouldn't know from personal experience, but it does seem odd that this guy supposedly did these things with people who knew exactly who he was and got away with it for so long.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

A couple of interesting quotes. I'm lazy and used Wikipedia which quoted from many sources.

From 2000–2005, 59% of rapes were not reported to law enforcement.[34][35] One factor relating to this is the misconception that most rapes are committed by strangers.[36] In reality, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, 38% of victims were raped by a friend or acquaintance, 28% by "an intimate" and 7% by another relative, and 26% were committed by a stranger to the victim. About four out of ten sexual assaults take place at the victim's own home.[37]

Drug use, especially alcohol, is frequently involved in rape. In 47% of rapes, both the victim and the perpetrator had been drinking. In 17%, only the perpetrator had been. 7% of the time, only the victim had been drinking. Rapes where neither the victim nor the perpetrator had been drinking were 29% of all rapes.[38]

Contrary to widespread belief, rape outdoors is rare. Over two thirds of all rapes occur in someone's home. 30.9% occur in the perpetrators' homes, 26.6% in the victims' homes and 10.1% in homes shared by the victim and perpetrator. 7.2% occur at parties, 7.2% in vehicles, 3.6% outdoors and 2.2% in bars.[38]

According to a statistical average over the past 5 years, about 60% of all rapes or sexual assaults in the United States are never reported to the authorities. For college students, the figure is 95%, noted in the Fisher, Cullen and Turner study cited above.

The most common reasons given by victims for not reporting rapes are the belief that it is a personal or private matter, and that they fear reprisal from the assailant. A 2007 government report in England says "Estimates from research suggest that between 75 and 95 percent of rape crimes are never reported to the police."[6]

So if we can trust this information it may have more to do with Provo being a college town than a religious issue.

It's also hard to get statistics that are apple to apple on this issue from other countries as there are different ideas of the definition of rape, and there are differences in record keeping of what is recorded, reported etc.

It also seems that most of the rapes involve people that are known to the victim, which also makes it more difficult for whatever reason for it to be reported. My personal opinion is that it has more to do with shock and knowing what to do and how to handle it (awareness and training) than it does with religion.

 

[colton]

This is the first result I found on Google. Didn't look at the others:

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/515039389/90-of-Provo-rapes-not-reported-to-police.html

The police officer is just going with his gut feeling. There's no research there.

But 90% might well be an accurate stat. It would fit in with the nation-wide statistics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics
"Estimates from research suggest that between 75 and 95 percent of rape crimes are never reported to the police." (A British study, actually)

https://www.aclu.org/blog/womens-rights/new-report-shows-95-campus-rapes-go-unreported
"The figure of campus rapes that go unreported is 95 percent"

Again, as far as I know there is absolutely no evidence that LDS women in Utah report rapes at any rate different than the national average.

 

[colton]

How many rapes does the typical non-patriarchal society rapist get away with before the police arrest him?

Good question. The better question is how many date rapes he can perform in a single year. This man's name was known to all of his victims, was it not? he met them in church functions or on-line dating services.

What's the general reporting rate of acquaintance rape?

https://www.aaets.org/arts/art13.htm

Koss (1988) reports that only two percent of acquaintance rape survivors report their experiences to the police. This compared with the 21 percent who reported rape by a stranger to the police.

Attributing the non-reporting of these rapes to LDS culture is stupid. You are letting your biases rule your judgment.

 

[colton]

So the score is:
One Brow: 1
Colton: 0

Lemmon said most Provo residents are religious and have a tendency to stigmatize discussion of sexual assault and sometimes to demonize the survivor.

There's no data there. The police officer is just giving his anecdotal impression. This undoubtedly happens some in Provo, as it undoubtedly happens some nation wide. But with 95% of campus rapes going unreported, assuming that stat is accurate, I don't think anything about this can be attributed to LDS culture.

 

[TroutBum]

I always see people moaning about One Brow's personality or agenda or whatever. But I never see many refutations of his arguments. :/

Have you not seen this same scenario with Salty? There are some people that it just isn't worth arguing about, because no matter what you say, they will spin it until it vomits. It's fun with Salty, because he's dumber than a sack of hair -- it's not so fun with OneBlow because he's smart, and is good at using big scary words to intimidate casual posters. Frankly, it's just not fun to argue with him.

 

[Deleted member 365]

I think rape report comes down to the embarrassment/sadness/inability to prove the incident. I can't speak for women who have been raped, but I imagine the vast majority try and close their minds to it and try and forget the incident. While others who may desire to report it cannot prove it (so why even report it anyway?).

 

[JJ Rage]

The world has always been this awful of a place. The internet is just making it easier and easier to see.

"Times have not become more violent. They have just become more televised."

- Marilyn Manson

 

[Revolution 9]

Can we get back on track, and talk about what a pompous evil scumbag this loser is?