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Interesting trade idea from Locke

the Jazz have had money under the salary cap ONCE in recent memory: the summer of 2004. they promptly blew it all on two players: Boozer and Okur. thus, i don't understand your complaint. but, like you said, you've "earned the right" to keep complaining. so, hopefully that is fulfilling or whatever for you.

Actually twice. They had cap space in 2003, also. That's the summer they signed Maggette and Jason Terry to offer sheets that were matched. I doubt there were too many tears shed by the front office when the offers were matched.
 
Not really, he had to go digging to find that definition. If you google it (since he didn't provide a source) the number one hit you get is ... jazzfanz.com.

Looking in more reasonable places you find the more common definitions relate to things like "pertaining to a margin" or "situated on the border or the edge."

For example https://dictionary.reference.com/browse/marginal

It doesn't take a genius to read my original post and figure out I'm talking about, for example, the difference in quality between the second pick and the ninth pick or the difference in quality between AK and Elton Brand rather than saying there is very little difference in quality.

I had to go digging? Google "define marginal" and look what comes up.
 
Actually twice. They had cap space in 2003, also. That's the summer they signed Maggette and Jason Terry to offer sheets that were matched. I doubt there were too many tears shed by the front office when the offers were matched.

yeah, well, i said "recent memory". ;-)
 
Typical armchair GM, spending/wasting somebody else’s money. Next year when AK is off the books they can look at free agents or use assets and cash to move up and get a center. I like favors but he is just as likely to become a good player as he is to become a superstar. And we already have a good PF with Millsap.
This is the reason the Jazz have never and are unlikely to ever win a title. You don't build the base of a championship through FA's. You do it through the draft with high draft picks.
 
Id want Iggy over Brand honestly.

and then re-sign Boozer? i guess that might work. assuming the sixers gift us the 2nd pick in the deal:

Deron/Price
CJ/Turner
Iguodala/Turner
Boozer/Millsap
Memo/Koufos

or, if Boozer leaves (of course, that won't be certain till after the draft):

Deron/Price
CJ
Iguodala
Millsap/Cousins-Favors
Memo/Koufos/Cousins-Favors
 
I had to go digging? Google "define marginal" and look what comes up.

I tried it three different ways and didn't come up with what you cited.

https://www.google.com/search?sourc...&rlz=1T4GGLL_enUS304US304&q="define+marginal"

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en...arginal&aq=f&aqi=l1g2g-s1g7&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en...=define:+marginal&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

Not sure what you think I'm supposed to be seeing. :confused:

But if I google your definition I get ... this thread as the #1 hit.

https://www.google.com/search?sourc...rginal+difference+a+marginal+criminal+element

In any event, it's still pretty clear from my post that I didn't mean marginal to denote minimal.
 
This is the reason the Jazz have never and are unlikely to ever win a title. You don't build the base of a championship through FA's. You do it through the draft with high draft picks.

whatever. once all the recent champions locked in their one high draft pick guy, they filled in with FAs/trades and lucky low picks:

Lakers: Kobe + FAs/trades (Gasol, Odom, Artest/Ariza) + lucky low picks (Bynum)
Celtics: Pierce + FAs/trades (Garnett, Allen) + lucky low picks (Perkins, Rondo)
Spurs: Duncan + lucky low picks (Parker, Ginobili)

if Deron is our one high-pick guy, then KOC better figure out the FAs/trades and lucky low picks part of it (ie, draft a Bynum with this year's pick).
 
Id want Iggy over Brand honestly.

That completely removes the reason the Sixers would want to do the deal though. If they traded their best player and the #2 pick for AK and the #9 Philly fans would throw batteries at their home opener.
 
I tried it three different ways and didn't come up with what you cited.

https://www.google.com/search?sourc...&rlz=1T4GGLL_enUS304US304&q="define+marginal"

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en...arginal&aq=f&aqi=l1g2g-s1g7&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en...=define:+marginal&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

Not sure what you think I'm supposed to be seeing. :confused:

But if I google your definition I get ... this thread as the #1 hit.

https://www.google.com/search?sourc...rginal+difference+a+marginal+criminal+element

In any event, it's still pretty clear from my post that I didn't mean marginal to denote minimal.

Seriously dude, isn't your time worth more than this? "Nothing to see here people. Just move along."
 
One interesting (I think) note:

It seems fairly likely that there will be major changes to the NBA CBA after this coming season (and, perhaps, a lockout). A lower cap/LT (and shorter guaranteed contracts) seem to be the most likely changes. If so, and because many contracts will already be in place, I would think there's a fairly good chance teams will get another chance at amnesty from a contract (like the Allan Houston provision). With this in mind (especially in the case there's a lockout), taking on a single long-term contract to move into the top 3 (Favors), or even to #4 (Cousins), looks even more attractive. Depending on what else the Jazz have to give up, taking on a "toxic" contract is probably worth it.
 
That completely removes the reason the Sixers would want to do the deal though. If they traded their best player and the #2 pick for AK and the #9 Philly fans would throw batteries at their home opener.

no, they would remember how great all those other players they got from the Jazz were: Jeff Malone, Giricek, "the right to swap 2nd round draft picks", Nazr Mohammed, etc.
 
whatever. once all the recent champions locked in their one high draft pick guy, they filled in with FAs/trades and lucky low picks:

Lakers: Kobe + FAs/trades (Gasol, Odom, Artest/Ariza) + lucky low picks (Bynum)
Celtics: Pierce + FAs/trades (Garnett, Allen) + lucky low picks (Perkins, Rondo)
Spurs: Duncan + lucky low picks (Parker, Ginobili)

if Deron is our one high-pick guy, then KOC better figure out the FAs/trades and lucky low picks part of it (ie, draft a Bynum with this year's pick).


Pretty certain that Bynum was a Top 10 pick. Wouldn't call that "lucky low pick".
 
This is the reason the Jazz have never and are unlikely to ever win a title. You don't build the base of a championship through FA's. You do it through the draft with high draft picks.

THANK YOU! We are now borderline best friends...........
 
One interesting (I think) note:

It seems fairly likely that there will be major changes to the NBA CBA after this coming season (and, perhaps, a lockout). A lower cap/LT (and shorter guaranteed contracts) seem to be the most likely changes. If so, and because many contracts will already be in place, I would think there's a fairly good chance teams will get another chance at amnesty from a contract (like the Allan Houston provision). With this in mind (especially in the case there's a lockout), taking on a single long-term contract to move into the top 3 (Favors), or even to #4 (Cousins), looks even more attractive. Depending on what else the Jazz have to give up, taking on a "toxic" contract is probably worth it.

That's an interesting idea, but the proposal I've heard discussed more seriously is reducing player's contracts to meet the new CBA (e.g. if BRI share fell from 60% to 40% then player contracts would be reduced by 1/3rd). That proposal isn't nearly as sweet because it merely makes sure that you don't get super-penalized for having a currently bad contract. The current penalty, however, is preserved. Have you seen anything indicating that they will consider another Allan Houston like rule?
 
Have you seen anything indicating that they will consider another Allan Houston like rule?

how would a new Allan Houston rule help the Jazz? under that rule, the contract still had to be paid in full, it just didn't count against the cap (and the team had to fire the player). do you really think the Millers could afford something like that?
 
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