Interesting trade idea from Locke

[Jazz4ever]

I love Turner's game, but it would be really really hard to pass up Favors....

Super tough choice, Favors and Milsap would be just a nasty front court for years to come. Turner is a dynamic playmaker at the SG/SF spot, something we have never had. He will take some pressure off Deron and will work fine as the backup PG when Deron goes out. Does Philly do it? Probably not. They just signed Doug Collins who is a great coach for young players and think they want to rebuild around him. By the time Brand's contract is up their #2 pick will be nearing his prime and they will have a ton of cash.

 

[Bodhi]

Hold up, how many times have the Jazz signed pivotal free agents since... ever?

I'll help, it was two and at the time and one wasn't supposed to become an elite PF. Now he'll be let go for nothing (whether they make this trade or not).

The question about financial flexibility with the Jazz starts and ends with keeping what they've already acquired. I promise you, no matter what, if Turner or Favors ends up living up to their hype the Jazz will not be able to land them in free agency, and it would be years after Deron is sick of waiting and peaces out.

Co-sign..... People that think the Jazz will ever sign a free agent that lived up to the hype in the first few picks in any draft make me scratch my head. It'll only happen through the draft....not even trade, as long as KOC is GM. The end.

 

[sirkickyass]

They just signed Doug Collins who is a great coach for young players

?!?

Is there a single guy that he developed that you couldn't possibly screw up.

It's hard to give a guy credit for Jordan, Pippen, and Grant Hill. Those were can't misses.

Whereas his most recent high draft picks (i.e. the only ones in the last 10 years) turned into Kwame Brown, Jared Jeffries and Juan Dixon.

 

[Qman]

Hmm. Basically I don't want any part of Brand. Philly still needs a power forward but they don't think Brand can do it anymore. The number 2 pick is tempting but no. Just say no to Brand.

 

[Captain Lobster]

Nope, I wouldn't do it.

 

[default]

Yes

 

[jazzlurker]

I vote go for it... Worst case scenario is that Brand cannot play due to injury and the insurance company picks up his salary.

 

[billyshelby]

I vote go for it... Worst case scenario is that Brand cannot play due to injury and the insurance company picks up his salary.

That is not the worst case scenario by a longshot. And it's a pretty terrible scenario by itself.

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

i think a lot of people here are missing the point of this trade.

if the Jazz really want to remain a contender, then they have to spend the money to be a contender, and that means over the salary cap and probably right up to the luxury tax limit (at least). all the serious contenders spend up to and over the tax limit.

there are two ways to spend money over the salary cap:

1. re-sign your own guys to bigger bird-rights contracts
2. trade your own guys for other team's guys that have longer contracts

the jazz have already done #1 with: Memo and Millsap. Boozer and AK's deals are up soon. Boozer is probably going to leave and AK isn't worth half the money he is making. is there anyone left on the team that will have a contract up worth spending money on?

it seems to me that the Jazz need to go with #2. if they don't, and just let guys walk away, their ability to spend over the cap is going to evaporate.

so, who is available with a longer contract that would help the team? obviously, they're going to have to take on someone with issues (they probably won't have a Gasol fall into their lap like the Lakers did). Brand seems relatively low risk to me. sure, he has disappointed in Philly, but he hasn't been terrible. Philly wouldn't be so eager to dump him if they didn't have Speights waiting in the wings. Brand was plenty good in LA. maybe it just isn't working out in Philly but the Jazz could make it work. oh, and someone else already pointed out that Brand for 3 years is better than Boozer for 6.

and the #2 pick... that is some really good icing on the cake. so much so... is Philly really going to cough that up?

 

[mellow]

I vote go for it... Worst case scenario is that Brand cannot play due to injury and the insurance company picks up his salary.

Actually that might be a best case scenario. THe worst would be him being healthy enough to stay off hte injured list but playing like he did last year.

Also, I thought I heard ESPN commenators saying that Philly's move to hire Collins was a sign that they wanted to win now with vetrans, because he didn't have the patience or ability to develop young players.

 

[NAOS]

i think a lot of people here are missing the point of this trade.

if the Jazz really want to remain a contender, then they have to spend the money to be a contender, and that means over the salary cap and probably right up to the luxury tax limit (at least). all the serious contenders spend up to and over the tax limit.

there are two ways to spend money over the salary cap:

1. re-sign your own guys to bigger bird-rights contracts
2. trade your own guys for other team's guys that have longer contracts

the jazz have already done #1 with: Memo and Millsap. Boozer and AK's deals are up soon. Boozer is probably going to leave and AK isn't worth half the money he is making. is there anyone left on the team that will have a contract up worth spending money on?

it seems to me that the Jazz need to go with #2. if they don't, and just let guys walk away, their ability to spend over the cap is going to evaporate.

so, who is available with a longer contract that would help the team? obviously, they're going to have to take on someone with issues (they probably won't have a Gasol fall into their lap like the Lakers did). Brand seems relatively low risk to me. sure, he has disappointed in Philly, but he hasn't been terrible. Philly wouldn't be so eager to dump him if they didn't have Speights waiting in the wings. Brand was plenty good in LA. maybe it just isn't working out in Philly but the Jazz could make it work. oh, and someone else already pointed out that Brand for 3 years is better than Boozer for 6.

and the #2 pick... that is some really good icing on the cake. so much so... is Philly really going to cough that up?

First, spending for the sake of spending doesn't get you anything. $ does not equal championship; correlation is not causation

This trade is allllll about the #2 pick. If Brand were to get sent here he would come off the bench, with Millsap starting. Brand would become a very high-priced backup... the #2 guy, however, will hopefully start and be an all-star by his second or third year.

Think of this trade like this: Brand and the #2's salaries are averaged. Would you take Brand and Favors/Turner for an average annual salary of 10 million each?

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

First, spending for the sake of spending doesn't get you anything.

Actually, it does get you something: The ability to continue to spend over the salary cap in the future (read my post). If the Jazz just let Boozer and AK walk away, their salary spending will dip down to the the cap, or below. Then, how do they get their spending back up? Only by re-signing their own players.

Even if Brand completely busts, the Jazz will have a chance in the future to flip him into something else (assuming the CBA continues to be similar to how it is now).

Remember when the Lakers traded Caron Butler for Kwame Brown? Looked like a disaster at the time, since Brown was awful for them. But then, they were able to flip Brown to get Gasol. There was no way for them to just sign a player like Gasol, since they were at/over the cap (i don't remember). They had to have an asset to trade to get him. Even though Brown sucked on the court, his crappy contract was valuable to the Grizzlies as a trade piece.

So, back to my premise: If the Jazz want to be a contender, they have to turn the money currently given to Boozer/AK into something else. Anyone have a better idea than Brand?