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Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones

KqWIN said:
Of course he's going for a legacy trade, but the other team has to agree with it. I do think there is a large difference between 27 + 29 without protections and just 27. Everyone's been telling me how important that 29 is, I don't necessarily disagree and that's why 27+29 is different than 27 alone.
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I think 29 gets in there... maybe top 4 protected... but it will be in there.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think they really want to keep Grimes. He's a 3 and D wing they will need. Toppin is not going to be fully utilized until Randle is gone and he will be there. Quickley with Brunson and Don will be marginalized. They could move those guys in other deals for stuff they need. I think we'd like Grimes but know they want him... so he becomes a pressure point for other stuff. 6 picks is the magic number I think... I think Knicks retain Grimes... I think Randle isn't in the deal... no idea on the other stuff.
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Grimes is an absolute must for the Jazz imo
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
They shouldn't do it... I wouldn't. This deal doesn't make them a contender. It sounded as if they'd be more patient and hope to get Donovan later, but if not they get a different guy for cheaper. But if they say he we will do 2027 w/o protections but not 2029 I think that's a weird place to get a conscience. If they protect 27 and forego 29 then there is no deal. I would take Heat picks unprotected in 23/27/29 with swaps in between over 23/25 unprotected and protected 27 pick plus the other protected picks. I think Herro might get you more in a trade than Quickley/Toppin/Grimes.

I think Danny is going for a legacy trade here... gets a record number of picks and also spurns Pat Riley (while having two of his guys in house in Fizz and Wade).
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I'm concerned Ainge is being a little psychotic here. Giving the Knicks time to think and gauging the reaction of fans I think plays out poorly for the Jazz the longer it goes on and if we miss a deal because we're making a sticking point about Grimes or one pick then that is the other side of the coin of how Ainge operates. We don't need to make ashes of the other team in the deal, and we don't have to nuke the ashes either. It's great this worked with Minnesota, but Ainge could afford to have a little more DL in him instead of continue to cultivate resentment among other front offices.

If it's two picks and ****, just pass. If it's four picks and swaps then operate in good faith. Please, Danny.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think they really want to keep Grimes. He's a 3 and D wing they will need. Toppin is not going to be fully utilized until Randle is gone and he will be there. Quickley with Brunson and Don will be marginalized. They could move those guys in other deals for stuff they need. I think we'd like Grimes but know they want him... so he becomes a pressure point for other stuff. 6 picks is the magic number I think... I think Knicks retain Grimes... I think Randle isn't in the deal... no idea on the other stuff.
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Its hard to imagine these players being the hold up for NY. The deal really doesn't seem like too much especially when you compare it with the Rudy trade. I guess I could see some of the hold up being protections or something that NY wants to work through today. I think it's close and I wouldn't expect this package to need to change much to get done.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I'm concerned Ainge is being a little psychotic here. Giving the Knicks time to think and gauging the reaction of fans I think plays out poorly for the Jazz the longer it goes on and if we miss a deal because we're making a sticking point about Grimes or one pick then that is the other side of the coin of how Ainge operates. We don't need to make ashes of the other team in the deal, and we don't have to nuke the ashes either. It's great this worked with Minnesota, but Ainge could afford to have a little more DL in him instead of continue to cultivate resentment among other front offices.

If it's two picks and ****, just pass. If it's four picks and swaps then operate in good faith. Please, Danny.
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Right... I think you have a negotiating window of about 7 days while teams are still in summer league and talking. Walking away without a deal then the pressure doesn't ramp up again until before training camp. By then they might have cooled down.

I do think the NY media has been going the other way... "Do what you need to get a deal done". So I think that might be okay. The media and fans kind of were like meh on it before... but now that it might be real they have gotten a little frothy.
 
Everyone needs to calm down a little bit here. Just because the deal hasn't closed yet doesn't mean Ainge is overplaying his hand. From my vantage point the Jazz clearly have the leverage here:

1) Mitchell is under contract for 3 years. This is not a fire sale, and he'll maintain significant value for years.
2) There are multiple teams interested and willing to pay market value.

Not to say he won't push any of these teams too far, but would take a massive mismanagement of the situation for no deal to get done here.
 
Udidthizz said:
If that’s the deal and we get Obi over Quickley I’ll be very happy.
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Quickley and Obi coming to the Jazz just makes sense. They will both be too low in the depth chart to be of great practical value to the Knicks and we need some salary ballast and young players.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Right... I think you have a negotiating window of about 7 days while teams are still in summer league and talking. Walking away without a deal then the pressure doesn't ramp up again until before training camp. By then they might have cooled down.

I do think the NY media has been going the other way... "Do what you need to get a deal done". So I think that might be okay. The media and fans kind of were like meh on it before... but now that it might be real they have gotten a little frothy.
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I hope you're right, I just keep hearing from seemingly everyone in national media that Brunson and Don is a silly backcourt and that it doesn't make them a premier team in the East.
 
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