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Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones

It seems Ainge is obsessed with get players still on their rookie contracts. What is the magic to that? Why these three Knick players vs Justin James, Carsen Edwards and Jared Wilson Frame? Guys that have passed through here and are putting up similar summer league numbers.
 
KqWIN said:
I don't doubt that Danny wants them unprotected, never did. I think there is a deal without the 29 pick. Is there a deal without both? I don't think so. Is there a deal with 27 only and protections....we'll see.

The receipts are there. Whether you "scoffed" or not, I can directly quote your disbelief that the Knicks would do such a thing. You weren't wrong about that hesitation. There is great hesitation to do such a thing and you can refer to yourself if you've forgotten why that is.
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They shouldn't do it... I wouldn't. This deal doesn't make them a contender. It sounded as if they'd be more patient and hope to get Donovan later, but if not they get a different guy for cheaper. But if they say he we will do 2027 w/o protections but not 2029 I think that's a weird place to get a conscience. If they protect 27 and forego 29 then there is no deal. I would take Heat picks unprotected in 23/27/29 with swaps in between over 23/25 unprotected and protected 27 pick plus the other protected picks. I think Herro might get you more in a trade than Quickley/Toppin/Grimes.

I think Danny is going for a legacy trade here... gets a record number of picks and also spurns Pat Riley (while having two of his guys in house in Fizz and Wade).
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
They shouldn't do it... I wouldn't. This deal doesn't make them a contender. It sounded as if they'd be more patient and hope to get Donovan later, but if not they get a different guy for cheaper. But if they say he we will do 2027 w/o protections but not 2029 I think that's a weird place to get a conscience. If they protect 27 and forego 29 then there is no deal. I would take Heat picks unprotected in 23/27/29 with swaps in between over 23/25 unprotected and protected 27 pick plus the other protected picks. I think Herro might get you more in a trade than Quickley/Toppin/Grimes.

I think Danny is going for a legacy trade here... gets a record number of picks and also spurns Pat Riley (while having two of his guys in house in Fizz and Wade).
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Of course he's going for a legacy trade, but the other team has to agree with it. I do think there is a large difference between 27 + 29 without protections and just 27. Everyone's been telling me how important that 29 is, I don't necessarily disagree and that's why 27+29 is different than 27 alone.
 
Mongoose said:
Knicks will cave and the Jazz get 6 picks Toppin, McBride, Quickley, Grimes
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I think they really want to keep Grimes. He's a 3 and D wing they will need. Toppin is not going to be fully utilized until Randle is gone and he will be there. Quickley with Brunson and Don will be marginalized. They could move those guys in other deals for stuff they need. I think we'd like Grimes but know they want him... so he becomes a pressure point for other stuff. 6 picks is the magic number I think... I think Knicks retain Grimes... I think Randle isn't in the deal... no idea on the other stuff.
 
homeytennis said:
It seems Ainge is obsessed with get players still on their rookie contracts. What is the magic to that? Why these three Knick players vs Justin James, Carsen Edwards and Jared Wilson Frame? Guys that have passed through here and are putting up similar summer league numbers.
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Jazz need a top-tier star, preferably more than one. To get those stars, the Jazz will need to draft them. Then they need young, supporting talent with the ability to play a role. Getting more young prospects gives them more potential to hit on one or two of them. At the same time, the Jazz have pushed their timeline back and want young players that fit the new timeline.
 
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