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Jazz Sign Patty Mills

Here is some more info on Patty. He just barely turned 36 this month. This is his 15th year in the league. Here are some stats from Patty Mills for the last 3 seasons:

2021/2022 - BKN - 81 games, 29.0mpg, 11.4ppg, 40.8/40/81.4 shooting splits, 2.3apg
2022/2023 - BKN - 40 games, 14.2mpg 6.2ppg, 40.8/40/83.3 shooting splits, 1.4apg
2023/2024 - ATL/MIA - 32 games, 13mpg, 4ppg, 35.1/27.6/100 shooting splits, 1.1apg

I assume his drop off in minutes and games were due to injuries, but I can't find anything. It looks like he just fell out of the rotation.
 
infection said:
A couple days ago I was driving and saw someone driving a vehicle that looked just like Patty Mills. I seriously thought it was him initially for a second before I realized there's no reason he would be here. Can't remember where it was, either, so it was probably Utah county and it didn't look like a rental. Very unlikely it was him but it was funny.
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One time I came out of my apartment on 5th East and 5th South in SLC, and right as I got on the sidewalk, a jogger - a tall, bald, black jogger with baseballs in his calves - ran past me. My immediate instinct was that this might be not just a random basketball player, but Ray Allen, and as I kinda gawked this figure as he kept moving off in the distance, I became more and more confident that it was.

I looked at the Jazz schedule when I got home and the Jazz were playing the Celtics the next night (and the Grand America Hotel is just four blocks away from where I was and is usually where opposing teams stay when they visit).
 
Great culture signing. Jazz are gonna have to get all-time filthy to be a bottom-5 team.

I’m pretty sick of this dance.
 
KqWIN said:
OK….if something unlikely happens things will change. Im positive the Jazz will fire sale if they have fireside assets, but as it stands right now, they don’t have those guys. I’m not comparing rosters on the basis on unpredictable things that may or may not happen. I’m comparing the rosters based on what we know. The opening day rosters of previous years had way more established vets that were obvious fire sale candidates.

Also, no revisionist history about KO getting a first round pick. “No one saw the Jazz able to get a first rounder”. Come on man, I don’t know why you make this stuff up.
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Nothing made up. Straight facts.
 
KqWIN said:
OK….if something unlikely happens things will change. Im positive the Jazz will fire sale if they have fireside assets, but as it stands right now, they don’t have those guys. I’m not comparing rosters on the basis on unpredictable things that may or may not happen. I’m comparing the rosters based on what we know. The opening day rosters of previous years had way more established vets that were obvious fire sale candidates.

Also, no revisionist history about KO getting a first round pick. “No one saw the Jazz able to get a first rounder”. Come on man, I don’t know why you make this stuff up.
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At this point most of the unlikely events that could happen will result in long term wins for the Jazz. Maybe JC goes human torch (makes him tradeable) or Collins POPS and its limited... but if Svi or Juzang are as good as Tech was last year... thats a bargain 4 year deal right there. Will be worth a first or just keeping around. Sexton goes supernova or something... is that an L? Outside of Patty going on a heater for a month I'm not sure I see an unlikely event that isn't flipped or capitalized on in some way.
 
KqWIN said:
I don’t consider this roster to be similar to previous rosters on opening day despite people hammering that point for some reason.
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Many are seeing scenarios where we could end up overperforming expectations again, but I dont think anyone has said we will definitively be as good as last year.

You on the other hand have said we will definitively be bad and keep repeating that at every turn.

So who is the one doing the hammering?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
At this point most of the unlikely events that could happen will result in long term wins for the Jazz. Maybe JC goes human torch (makes him tradeable) or Collins POPS and its limited... but if Svi or Juzang are as good as Tech was last year... thats a bargain 4 year deal right there. Will be worth a first or just keeping around. Sexton goes supernova or something... is that an L? Outside of Patty going on a heater for a month I'm not sure I see an unlikely event that isn't flipped or capitalized on in some way.
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Exactly. I like the way the roster is position and I've been saying it for awhile. Not necessarily because I love our win/tank position, but because there's a point to everyone being on the team. I may still think about trading Sexton/Kessler, but I understand why you may think they have a part in the future. It's not pointless to have them on the roster. The only veteran fluff is JCx2....but the point of them being on the roster is that you can't really move them. We don't have any vets that can be traded of value who also have no place in the future. If anyone surprises and becomes one of those guys (JCx2 or Svi/Juzang/Eubanks) they can be traded or a decision can be made that they are part of the Sexton/Kessler group.

The only "bad" thing that can happen is if JCx2 play well but still don't generate a market....but what are we to do? Dump assets to get rid of them? We probably can't even do that if we wanted. It's an L but we just have to live with the consequences of our previous decisions and try to bench them later in the year.
 
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HermanG said:
Many are seeing scenarios where we could end up overperforming expectations again, but I dont think anyone has said we will definitively be as good as last year.

You on the other hand have said we will definitively be bad and keep repeating that at every turn.

So who is the one doing the hammering?
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If you think I said we will "definitely be bad" prove it. You won't be able to because never did that. I never guaranteed anything nor did I say you guaranteed anything. We can cut out that BS, nobody did that.

It's is repeatedly brought up how this year is like previous seasons. When you and others look at the comparison, you see similarity and that's why you expect a higher winning outcome. For me, the comparison is what makes me think we won't be as good. Anyone is capable of underperforming or overperforming...it doesn't really say much to mention that something unlikely could happen. I guess my response to that would be....something likely could also happen? I'm interested in what is most likely and what's expected. In this case, my expectation is that the team is worse because this team is different and lacking the veteran depth of previous years.
 
I'm dazzled by the three veterans free agent signings. Are we better off than if we had kept Dunn and two of Yurt7, Bazely, Kenny or Luka for tanking or winning purposes? I get that there are a bunch of unguaranteed Ks in a year but it appears you could have accomplished the same thing by signing the guys that were here.
 
fishonjazz said:
I have always liked mills but I worry he has something left in the tank that could kill the tank
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i sure hope so. people talk about how good or bad a draft is, but have any of you considered that the jazz won't let the quality of the draft effect their timeline? last year maybe the timeline was improve-the-pick regardless of the 'badness' of the draft, while this year the timeline is get-better in spite of the 'goodness' of the draft. if you keep chasing the draft you will never reach the finish line.
 
homeytennis said:
I'm dazzled by the three veterans free agent signings. Are we better off than if we had kept Dunn and two of Yurt7, Bazely, Kenny or Luka for tanking or winning purposes? I get that there are a bunch of unguaranteed Ks in a year but it appears you could have accomplished the same thing by signing the guys that were here.
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Meh, if we are developing players you need a few guys that are unspectacular constants to fill the holes. You can't teach a player to pass by throwing it to players who are going to do something stupid with the ball once they get it. You can't learn the fundamentals of team defense without having anyone else on the team that can hold down their assignment at least marginally.

Those other dudes were projects, even old projects. We have enough of those already.
 
KqWIN said:
If you think I said we will "definitely be bad" prove it. You won't be able to because never did that. I never guaranteed anything nor did I say you guaranteed anything. We can cut out that BS, nobody did that.

It's is repeatedly brought up how this year is like previous seasons. When you and others look at the comparison, you see similarity and that's why you expect a higher winning outcome. For me, the comparison is what makes me think we won't be as good. Anyone is capable of underperforming or overperforming...it doesn't really say much to mention that something unlikely could happen. I guess my response to that would be....something likely could also happen? I'm interested in what is most likely and what's expected. In this case, my expectation is that the team is worse because this team is different and lacking the veteran depth of previous years.
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I guess it depends on your definition of bad. You have repeated multiple times that we are in a group of 4-5 teams that are the next tier up from WAS and BKN.

Average finish in that tier of yours would put us 4th or 5th worst. That fits my definition of bad.

I used the term overperform but meant outperform. However despite my wrong choice of words, you should have noted that expectations are equally speculative than how teams may or may not perform in relation to them.
 
rjfan said:
Honestly, as long we be starting Collins - which I believe won't change this season because of his still sizeable contract (next we should trade, dump, or just waive him), what happened to him when he no longer was treated as a centerpiece in Atlanta, and what benching him (even more for kids or minimum salary level players) would mean to the FO decision of trading for him - either through him playing as PF or C (tho I believe he'll play more as a C, and I that being the case because his whole NBA career he's been better as a C, not a PF), we'll have a decently high scoring collective attack that doesn't match the consistency and star power of most franchises, thus still losing a ton, even more being at the western conference (only the Blazers should be as bad or worse in the same conference).

If we need to go hard on the tanking just tell Lauri to go spend time with his kids and call It a day,
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You might we'll be right. I'm just a huge Hardy believer to the extend I'm actually afraid he make this team play well enough to endanger tank.

An off note: you just did start a sentence with a thought on Collins that waited five full lines to end. Kudos, it takes a piet or a bureaucrat to nail it. But I got it read!
 
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