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HermanG said:
Many are seeing scenarios where we could end up overperforming expectations again, but I dont think anyone has said we will definitively be as good as last year.

You on the other hand have said we will definitively be bad and keep repeating that at every turn.

So who is the one doing the hammering?
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If you think I said we will "definitely be bad" prove it. You won't be able to because never did that. I never guaranteed anything nor did I say you guaranteed anything. We can cut out that BS, nobody did that.

It's is repeatedly brought up how this year is like previous seasons. When you and others look at the comparison, you see similarity and that's why you expect a higher winning outcome. For me, the comparison is what makes me think we won't be as good. Anyone is capable of underperforming or overperforming...it doesn't really say much to mention that something unlikely could happen. I guess my response to that would be....something likely could also happen? I'm interested in what is most likely and what's expected. In this case, my expectation is that the team is worse because this team is different and lacking the veteran depth of previous years.
 
I'm dazzled by the three veterans free agent signings. Are we better off than if we had kept Dunn and two of Yurt7, Bazely, Kenny or Luka for tanking or winning purposes? I get that there are a bunch of unguaranteed Ks in a year but it appears you could have accomplished the same thing by signing the guys that were here.
 
fishonjazz said:
I have always liked mills but I worry he has something left in the tank that could kill the tank
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i sure hope so. people talk about how good or bad a draft is, but have any of you considered that the jazz won't let the quality of the draft effect their timeline? last year maybe the timeline was improve-the-pick regardless of the 'badness' of the draft, while this year the timeline is get-better in spite of the 'goodness' of the draft. if you keep chasing the draft you will never reach the finish line.
 
homeytennis said:
I'm dazzled by the three veterans free agent signings. Are we better off than if we had kept Dunn and two of Yurt7, Bazely, Kenny or Luka for tanking or winning purposes? I get that there are a bunch of unguaranteed Ks in a year but it appears you could have accomplished the same thing by signing the guys that were here.
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Meh, if we are developing players you need a few guys that are unspectacular constants to fill the holes. You can't teach a player to pass by throwing it to players who are going to do something stupid with the ball once they get it. You can't learn the fundamentals of team defense without having anyone else on the team that can hold down their assignment at least marginally.

Those other dudes were projects, even old projects. We have enough of those already.
 
KqWIN said:
If you think I said we will "definitely be bad" prove it. You won't be able to because never did that. I never guaranteed anything nor did I say you guaranteed anything. We can cut out that BS, nobody did that.

It's is repeatedly brought up how this year is like previous seasons. When you and others look at the comparison, you see similarity and that's why you expect a higher winning outcome. For me, the comparison is what makes me think we won't be as good. Anyone is capable of underperforming or overperforming...it doesn't really say much to mention that something unlikely could happen. I guess my response to that would be....something likely could also happen? I'm interested in what is most likely and what's expected. In this case, my expectation is that the team is worse because this team is different and lacking the veteran depth of previous years.
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I guess it depends on your definition of bad. You have repeated multiple times that we are in a group of 4-5 teams that are the next tier up from WAS and BKN.

Average finish in that tier of yours would put us 4th or 5th worst. That fits my definition of bad.

I used the term overperform but meant outperform. However despite my wrong choice of words, you should have noted that expectations are equally speculative than how teams may or may not perform in relation to them.
 
rjfan said:
Honestly, as long we be starting Collins - which I believe won't change this season because of his still sizeable contract (next we should trade, dump, or just waive him), what happened to him when he no longer was treated as a centerpiece in Atlanta, and what benching him (even more for kids or minimum salary level players) would mean to the FO decision of trading for him - either through him playing as PF or C (tho I believe he'll play more as a C, and I that being the case because his whole NBA career he's been better as a C, not a PF), we'll have a decently high scoring collective attack that doesn't match the consistency and star power of most franchises, thus still losing a ton, even more being at the western conference (only the Blazers should be as bad or worse in the same conference).

If we need to go hard on the tanking just tell Lauri to go spend time with his kids and call It a day,
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You might we'll be right. I'm just a huge Hardy believer to the extend I'm actually afraid he make this team play well enough to endanger tank.

An off note: you just did start a sentence with a thought on Collins that waited five full lines to end. Kudos, it takes a piet or a bureaucrat to nail it. But I got it read!
 
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