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InGameStrategy said:
If half of them need checks (and I hope you're right), then they should get the deal done. However, I don't trust that the NBA majority has enough sense or courage to fight for what is best for them, and I don't trust that the obstructionist players know when to stop the fight (for example, now).

It seems that the big-money players (and their agents), who can afford to wait for a deal (even if it's against their best interest), are driving the process. But just like Republicans seem to drown out Democrats (even there are more of the latter), it seems like the big-money players are suffocating the interests of the more numerous journeymen.

The agents are the biggest culprits; while each individual player has a single salary and a short NBA lifespan averaging lest than 10 years, agents are in it for the long haul with multiple players, so a percentage point or two makes a difference across an agent's portfolio of contracts. Players have gotta not let the agents drive the process.

Derek Fisher has gotta stop listening exclusively to his superstar buddies and make sure that the views of the general union are fully vetted and represented. From a legacy standpoint, it's in the best interest of Fish, Billy Hunter, and David Stern to do so. If the whining superstar players continue to stall, and if I were David Stern, I'd take the accusation public that the union is not listening to the "average" player, who might come and go from year to the next and loses big the longer this goes on--far more than the superstar who is assured to stay in the league until his 30s if his body allows. May the mediator have more sense than the typical baller.
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Coon has hinted that the players could opt to hold a secret vote once the mediator has weighed in. Hunter needs to pursue this before he blows up what's left of his reputation.
 
billyshelby said:
You really overestimate these guys if you think someone telling them about a possible strike last year had much effect.

These are kids, most of whom were dirt poor before they got rich overnight. That formula leads to bad choices 9 times out of 10.
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...true dat! Anyone who would slap tattoo's on their body from the top of their head to the bottom of their soles, can't be much on thinkin!
 
billyshelby said:
"Filing for bankruptcy is a long-standing tradition for NBA players, 60% of whom, according to the Toronto Star, are broke five years after they retire."

https://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3469271

Literally the first thing that popped up. Sure there's lots more.
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.....GREAT READ! You left out some of the highlights, though! "Filing for bankruptcy is a long-standing tradition for NBA players, 60% of whom, according to the Toronto Star, are broke five years after they retire. The other 40% deliver the Toronto Star." "Guys go broke because they surround themselves with people who help them go broke," says ex-NBA center Danny Schayes." (I suspect he's talking about "homies!")
 
I may have missed it in this thread but I heard on the radio an idea I know I mentioned months back and others probably have as well and it is was have a tier or staged cap and even more importantly put a limit on how many years a team could go over the cap.

Also thanks I did enjoy the article's opinion and the ideas in it even more.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Bill Simmons is the best writer ESPN has by far.
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Simmons could solve this thing in 30 minutes. If both sides were smart they'd sub him in for Cohen and get this thing done by the end of the week. And while we're discussing Simmons, I have no idea why Stern hasn't adopted his "Entertaining-As-Hell Tournament".
 
margodydek said:
Simmons could solve this thing in 30 minutes. If both sides were smart they'd sub him in for Cohen and get this thing done by the end of the week. And while we're discussing Simmons, I have no idea why Stern hasn't adopted his "Entertaining-As-Hell Tournament".
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Simmons wouldn't be able to handle the various egos well at all.

If you think either owners or star players want to be dictated to by a sportswriter then I'd suggest you reimagine how that interaction would go down.

For what it's worth, my read of the Simmons column is that he thinks the "fair" solution is a lot more concessions by players on issues beyond BRI.
 
Simmons can go to hell and the owners can go to hell. Simmons keep referring to the writers strike. But there are two important differences.

1) the first was a strike, this was a lockout. The players have already offered to make concessions from the status quo, which is beyond generous, the writers wanted concessions

2) the players have talent, and as a result have some leverage. The writers are no-talent hacks lots of people can do what they did. So they had no leverage.


i hope the players start their own league with nike...they can probably make 33% of their current salaries, and what they lose in income they can make up for in equity in the new league. David stern and the owners can eat a ****, this is highway robbery.

The executive class in this country has lost their ****ing minds.
 
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TheItinerantSon said:
Simmons can go to hell and the owners can go to hell. Simmons keep referring to the writers strike. But there are two important differences.

1) the first was a strike, this was a lockout. The players have already offered to make concessions from the status quo, which is beyond generous, the writers wanted concessions

2) the players have talent, and as a result have some leverage. The writers are no-talent hacks lots of people can do what they did. So they had no leverage.


i hope the players start their own league with nike...they can probably make 33% of their current salaries, and what they lose in income they can make up for in equity in the new league. David stern and the owners can eat a dick, this is highway robbery.

The executive class in this country has lost their ****ing minds.
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I was wondering how you put up a 4-rep in so few posts. Now I know.
 
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