Lockout!!!

[trigg3r]

sadly, and that's when the next chunk of the season gets cut.

Let's just pray for a last minute miracle.

I think the only way that happens is if the union accepts 50/50. If they don't, bye bye more games.

 

[NUMBERICA]

The players are not entitled to more.

In what universe is asking for 4% LESS asking for more?

 

[NUMBERICA]

God, you're an f'n racist. Mods, can't we do something about this guy? I suspect I'm not the only one tired of reading his racist drivel here.

I'm calling on the mods to grow some nads and ban this bigot jerk wad.

They could use some help with people reporting posts that spell out the infraction.

Not that I've done that a number of times for him or Hopper or anything.

 

[TheItinerantSon]

At this point i would rather there not be a season if it means taking the 50-50 compromise. its the principle of the thing.

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

Nate Silver's take on the lockout:

https://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytim...foul-on-n-b-a-s-claims-of-financial-distress/

Instead, independent estimates of the N.B.A. financial condition reflect a league that has grown at a somewhat tepid rate compared to other sports, and which has an uneven distribution of revenues between teams — but which is fundamentally a healthy and profitable business. In addition, it is not clear that growth in player salaries, which has been modest compared to other sports and which is strictly pegged to league revenue, is responsible for the league’s difficulties.

He runs through a bunch of facts, figures, and calculations, and concludes:

There are several reasons to be skeptical of the N.B.A.’s figures. First, many of the purported losses — perhaps about $250 million — result from an unusual accounting treatment related to depreciation and amortization when a team is sold. While the accounting treatment is legal, these paper losses would have no impact on a team’s cash flow. Another potential (and usually within-the-law) trick: moving income from the basketball team’s balance sheet to that of a related business like a cable network, or losses in the opposite direction.

Second, the leaked financial statements for one team, the New Orleans Hornets, closely matched the Forbes data. And the sale prices for some teams have exceeded their figures. The Golden State Warriors were purchased for $450 million in 2010 — more than the $363 million that Forbes estimates they are worth. The Detroit Pistons were recently sold for a price reported to be about $420 million, more than Forbes’s estimated value of $360 million. The Washington Wizards were bought for $551 million last year, a 70 percent premium over Forbes’s estimated price of $322 million. Comparing actual to theoretical sale prices is not always safe because other assets are sometimes packaged with the teams, but the market for N.B.A. franchises is clearly quite healthy and inconsistent with what the league claims to be a failing business model.

The third reason for skepticism: the N.B.A.’s data has not been made public, although it has been shared with the players’ union. If the league expects their figures to be viewed credibly, they should open up their books to journalists, economists and fans.

Fourth, the current labor deal — which was signed in 1999 and renewed with relatively few changes in 2005 — was initially considered favorable to the league. Although revenue growth may have been more tepid than the league might like, especially in the past few recessionary years, player salaries are tied to revenues and have grown at no faster a rate. The claims made by sports owners on the occasion of a labor dispute — smart and successful capitalists who suddenly become enamored of restrictions on the free market and their own wherewithal to make decisions — often stretch credulity. But to hear the N.B.A. owners complain about the current deal now, when none of the fundamentals have changed, reminds one of the old Woody Allen joke about two women kvetching at a restaurant: “Boy, the food at this place is really terrible,” one says. “I know. And such small portions,” the other replies.

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

At this point i would rather their not be a season if it means taking the 50-50 compromise. its the principle of the thing.

Wait... are you a player? My guess: Brian Scalabrine.

 

[margodydek]

At this point i would rather their not be a season if it means taking the 50-50 compromise. its the principle of the thing.

Unless you're a member of the NBPA (CJ, is that you?), that's the dumbest post I've seen in a while. As long as the new CBA doesn't royally screw over the Jazz, why would you care how they split their pie? Do you study how other businesses pay their employees, then refuse to buy their products or services if their payroll structure does not suite your standards?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

It's sad the lockout isn't getting more national coverage. During the NFL lockout that is all ESPN talked about (true, their where no other sports going on besides regular season baseball), but still. It seems if their was as much pressure as the NFL lockout created, the players and owners would act with a sense of urgency.

 

[trigg3r]

It's sad the lockout isn't getting more national coverage. During the NFL lockout that is all ESPN talked about (true, their where no other sports going on besides regular season baseball), but still. It seems if their was as much pressure as the NFL lockout created, the players and owners would act with a sense of urgency.

Agreed. I wonder how many fans the NBA will lose over this.

 

[Nate505]

God, you're an f'n racist. Mods, can't we do something about this guy? I suspect I'm not the only one tired of reading his racist drivel here.

I'm calling on the mods to grow some nads and ban this bigot jerk wad.

The problem is there is nothing really racist there. There may be an implication at the end (of what you quoted) but he's said nothing that's out of line. Hate to break it to you, but that's how it is, and as much as people whine about CJ I can't imagine the volume of whining if people started to get banned over things that were implied around here.

 

[Shad]

Basketball is way too greedy of a sport. I'm not saying other sports aren't either but it's ridiculous that things can't get settled and the season will dwindle away to nothing. I was watching something about the last lockout and it took the league 5 years to "repair the damages" from the 99' lockout. We all know the season is going in the toilet, which blows, but it'd be nice to have a good cap system so we can stop having the same crap year after year.

 

[trigg3r]

Basketball is way too greedy of a sport. I'm not saying other sports aren't either but it's ridiculous that things can't get settled and the season will dwindle away to nothing. I was watching something about the last lockout and it took the league 5 years to "repair the damages" from the 99' lockout. We all know the season is going in the toilet, which blows, but it'd be nice to have a good cap system so we can stop having the same crap year after year.

Look at the damages caused by the baseball strike. The NBA is facing similar damages if this is not resolved in the near future. First order of business for everyone when this gets resolved is a PR campaign thanking all the fans etc.