Shad
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Then you give them a few years experience.... I think this team would be better than portland was this year, better than Indiana, dallas, atlanta, boston, and maybe a few other playoff teams.
This is laughable at worst.
Then you give them a few years experience.... I think this team would be better than portland was this year, better than Indiana, dallas, atlanta, boston, and maybe a few other playoff teams.
The current team missed the playoffs, despite playing in an uncharacteristically weak Western Conference.
Also, all those that think Favors and Hayward will stay. When was the last time a half decent UFA resigned with the Jazz? Andre, Karl, John? LOL (Not including extensions).
We don't have a great record of keeping decent players. Hayward WILL NOT resign with the Jazz. He's already made his money and he'll play where he'd like to play
This is laughable at worst.
Favors has two years left on his contract. He'll be an unrestricted free agent in 2018.
Here we go again. The "give us 2 more years" discussion that has ALREADY been going on for years. Gordo and Favors could and might be gone "in 2 more years."
I don't think favors can be.
Favors has two years left on his contract. He'll be an unrestricted free agent in 2018.
Well, I hate to be a realist on you but the team is mediocre at best even when healthy. This is a business and not just about basketball and our 2 best player's contracts are up in 2 years so get ready for either more "give us 10 more years of rebuilding" or shoot for the stars now.
You said Favors couldn't leave within two more years. He'll be an unrestricted free agent in two more years. So...yeah, you ****ed up.So i said two years right? Lets see. 16-17 season would be one year. 17-18 season would be year two. Did i do the math right?
I don't think we will. We will be good soon.
Hood lyles burks exum gobert favors will all want to stay. Favors loves it here and took a discount. Burks is under contract for a while and I think he likes it here. In two years exum, hood, lyles, gobert, burks, and favors all might be much better players than they are now. We will be winning enough in two years for them to want to stay.
We just barely acquired a lot of our guys. They are so young. Gotta give them a few years and some health.
Favors and hayward are the vets and they are both high quality nba players. What happens when we still have hayward and favors (with more experience) and lyles, hood, exum, gobert, and Burks all have a large amount of minutes under their belt to the point that they are young vets instead of only having played as much as rookies and sophmores.
Gobert, hood, exum, and lyles all show lots of potential and have such a low, amount of total minutes played. They are babies in the nba. Even hood and gobert who are a bit older age wise have not played much total nba minutes in their careers.
Hell with burks injuries and constant bench role he really doesn't have all that many minutes either.
The core is still really young despite the fact that favors and hayward seem like old vets apparently.
You're way to technial if you take two years to mean 730 calendar days with in the context of the discussion, which was me telling him that in 2 years (2 years in this case obviously meaning seasons since we are discussing basketball games) the jazz will be really good. He said favors would be gone in two years (seasons). I knew he was under contact for 2 more seasons. I still beleive that to be true and still believe that in two years (seasons, 17-18 one to be exact) we will be really good and favors will want to stay.You said Favors couldn't leave within two more years. He'll be an unrestricted free agent in two more years. So...yeah, you ****ed up.
People love the Warriors. Try them. Or the Celtics look like a good up and comer. And if you want to stay truly hated around here, be a Thunder fan.
We disagree. Yes I have been selling the young ones for a while now. And last year was a playoff team without the injuries and a super young team as well.You've been selling the yungins will be good someday trust me guys pitch for far too long. No, no they won't. Those who can put aside their Jazz bias and those on the outside looking in know what we have.
Burks - role player
Exum - #4 pick bust
Gobert - pretty good, awesome dude but no cornerstone and not a well rounded player
Favors - solid, middle of the road piece, somewhat efficient
Hayward - solid, middle of the road piece, somewhat efficient
Hood - the only wildcard in the deck atm
That's not a rebuild, that's a bludgeoning of the fanbases trust. You and [MENTION=1988]Stoked[/MENTION] and the likes can continue your starry eyed love for the franchise and I applaud you for your willingness to find some charm in maggots. I, however, find it quite silly to pledge my blind devotion to a team that continues blunder after blunder, and an ownership group who is well known for keeping the franchise only to benefit their greasy car sales business. And if you don't think LHM was the greasiest person on the planet you likely don't know an actual thing about the guy. The guy even admitted to screwing John and Karl out of a championship. Personally, I hope the team gets sold.
Burks and Exum arguably aren't upgrades over the players who played to end this past season (Mack/Neto, Gordo/Hood/Ingles). The West was also surprisingly weak in the middle (after the top 4), which is unlikely to continue this coming season. The Jazz won't crack 50 wins or a top-4 seed without some major talent upgrades. Additional depth won't move the needle very much.
Great post.We can agree to disagree. I think Exum is going to be very solid. Not Westbrook solid per se but a night and day difference over his rookie year (and what we had this year, especially on the defensive end), and eventually, very, very good.
Think about it. We won 40 games this year with all those injuries and all those close losses which, according to someone like Kicky who you respect, balance out over the course of a year. They didn't balance out this year though. Oh yeah, and we were the second youngest team in the league. The way I see it, better health equates into another 4-5 wins, finishing closer to or at .500 in very close games equates to 2-3 more wins, and organic growth equates into 2-4 more wins, which puts us around 8-12 more wins. Middle that and we're looking at 50 wins. I'm not stupid enough to think this is some exact science and I recognize our teams flaws and also recognize that injuries are gonna happen. But this season was a bit of a perfect storm of little depth/youth accompanied by injuries to **** us. This year, we have more experience, more hunger (is that another 1-2 wins?), better depth (can't be worse), and better health(again, can it be any worse?)...The way I see it, if the Jazz OU is anywhere at 43.5 or lower, I am gonna bang it for as much as I can. Like literally, possibly 5-10K.
In short, I think our combination of organic growth, improved health, better depth through the draft and maybe free agency, and more desperate attitude from the players and coaching will net production. My prediction? I'll pull back a tiny bit. 48-34.