Mark Bartlestein (Hayward's agent) to be on 97.5/1280 The Zone in 15 minutes

[green]

If you believe Hayward had his mind made up a year ago, then why doesn't anyone believe he told DL last year that he wanted to be traded to Boston?

 

[Miggs]

I honestly think this is the best explanation I've heard.

This needs to be broached with DL in an interview too. If I'm the person asking the questions, I would first ask, "Was the order that Benedict met with the three teams the originally scheduled order?" I would assume his response would be a yes. I can't imagine there was a bunch of flipping and flopping of schedules. Given the assumed affirmative response, I would then ask, "Why did the organization fly out to San Diego to meet with Benedict rather than do it in Utah?"

It's as simple as that. Now, DL may very well know where the question is going and be politically correct and not throw Benedict under the bus, but the question still should be asked. Because let's face it. Utah is closer to his previous two meetings than San Diego. And if DL ever says Benedict requested it be there, well, that opens up a can of worms.

That said, it is the wise location. If he stays, no harm. If he leaves, he's not in Utah. Still though, it perhaps was an indicator that he was leaving. I think so.

 

[akirac73]

I look back and think, you know at 27 I wasn't viewing the world through others parties lenses, so perhaps it's naive.

Maybe you were just immature like Heywood? At 27, I quit the company that hired me out of college. The first thing I did was tell the person that hired me (the VP of the company) face to face. Then I told my other managers that trained and mentored me for 5 years. Six years later, I ended up going back to that same company. They welcomed me back with open arms. It's important not to burn bridges, regardless if your job earns you $75K/year or $30,000,000 a year.

Nobody "taught" me how to properly end my employment with a company, it just felt like the right thing to do. If you're an adult and you are clueless (or afraid) of doing the right thing, you probably weren't raised with good values from your parents. Just my 2 cents...

 

[akirac73]

In hindsight, I wonder if Hayward requested they all come to San Diego because they were his last visit and he did not want to be in Utah when his decision was finalized because, well, he knew what his decision was (going to be) and didn't want the obligation to tell them in person. Staying in San Diego was his cute little way to avoid all adult responsibility and fan hatred.

That's a good theory...my theory is that the whole San Diego thing was orchestrated by the Jazz. Since the Celtic's brass were in SLC for the summer league game on Monday, having the Jazz's "pitch day" would be better off taking place away from SLC. The idea of that slimeball Ainge being in the same city while you're meeting with Heywood would make me uneasy.

 

[infection]

DL said Joe Ingles' deal still being finalized. We should offer Ingles an extra million per year if he fires his agent, just for spite. Or offer Ingles the $1M to threaten firing if Bartledouche doesn't have Hayward demand Crowder. In return we'll offer up a few votes for Tanner.

 

[Tak]

Maybe you were just immature like Heywood? At 27, I quit the company that hired me out of college. The first thing I did was tell the person that hired me (the VP of the company) face to face. Then I told my other managers that trained and mentored me for 5 years. Six years later, I ended up going back to that same company. They welcomed me back with open arms. It's important not to burn bridges, regardless if your job earns you $75K/year or $30,000,000 a year.

Nobody "taught" me how to properly end my employment with a company, it just felt like the right thing to do. If you're an adult and you are clueless (or afraid) of doing the right thing, you probably weren't raised with good values from your parents. Just my 2 cents...

Or, now that you're a millionaire, you choose to forget every value your parents taught you, because you are in "another level". I've seen people doing that after earning just a little upside in their social and economic life, I imagine jumping from kid to millionaire can have the same effect.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

DL said Joe Ingles' deal still being finalized. We should offer Ingles an extra million per year if he fires his agent, just for spite. Or offer Ingles the $1M to threaten firing if Bartledouche doesn't have Hayward demand Crowder. In return we'll offer up a few votes for Tanner.

Yes, this is the way you do business. Pettiness and spite will get you far.

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

This needs to be broached with DL in an interview too. If I'm the person asking the questions, I would first ask, "Was the order that Benedict met with the three teams the originally scheduled order?" I would assume his response would be a yes. I can't imagine there was a bunch of flipping and flopping of schedules. Given the assumed affirmative response, I would then ask, "Why did the organization fly out to San Diego to meet with Benedict rather than do it in Utah?"

It's as simple as that. Now, DL may very well know where the question is going and be politically correct and not throw Benedict under the bus, but the question still should be asked. Because let's face it. Utah is closer to his previous two meetings than San Diego. And if DL ever says Benedict requested it be there, well, that opens up a can of worms.

That said, it is the wise location. If he stays, no harm. If he leaves, he's not in Utah. Still though, it perhaps was an indicator that he was leaving. I think so.

I told my son the same thing when I first heard the news (leaked) but knew I was speaking out of emotion so didn't think to post it but logically it was smart for the reasons you already stated.

I like a lot of Jazz fans believe emotionally he wanted to leave for at least a year and the only reason it became difficult is because how good and improved the Jazz were this season but I know I'm the same way, once I've had my mind made up it's pretty difficult to change my mind even if I know logically I should.

I credit him for having the season he did, it was by far his best as a Jazz man and by that same token it was why it hurt (at the time) so much because he finally looked to be living up to the first max contract and someone that could be a main piece (along with Gobert and another TBD player) that could compete (not that they'd beat GSW but compete is all anyone can ask).

 

[infection]

Yes, this is the way you do business. Pettiness and spite will get you far.

Well aside from the obvious hyperbole that you missed, it seems to have worked for Ainge. Not his son so much but at least for him, up until this point.

 

[Scat]

Fandom and sports business can't be separated. Fans are fine with the business aspect of pro sports as long as it works in the team's favor.

Thanks Captain Obvious. I'm still pissed.

 

[zman1527]

Yes, but he knew he wanted out. Why this big act. If he were a man of character, he would've let the Jazz know much earlier.

You know nothing, nothing about it being an act. That is your own narrow selfish bias.


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[zman1527]

We pay the salaries. We allow them their livelihood. Our passion gives them employ. Why is the assumption we are passive spectators?

Good gravy, you sent checks to Gordon Hayward? No you bought tickets from a business that employed him for great profit for a few years.


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