Rittenhouse

[Gameface]

Love that guy.

Yeah, he's pretty good. He has a good mix of more serious stuff like this and then videos of lawyer jokes or breaking down the legal realities of things like movies such as Idiocracy. One of my favorite YT channels. He also does a bit of dramatized historical true crime.

 

[jazzVA]

I can't help but to think that a big reason why many on the right hate AOC is because she's so attractive. If she had been a 60 something overweight white dude with the same beliefs, I don't think we'd see near the vitriol. Just my opinion.

Not even an opinion, she wouldn’t have been elected in that district with those parameters. I like her, she’s built a platform as a bit of a far left candidate. The difference is that the left hasn’t let the extremists take over their party like the Trump cuks.

 

[gandalfe]

Yeah, he's pretty good. He has a good mix of more serious stuff like this and then videos of lawyer jokes or breaking down the legal realities of things like movies such as Idiocracy. One of my favorite YT channels. He also does a bit of dramatized historical true crime.

He's really good. I've also been enjoying a bunch of Simon Whistler's channels, notably Into the Shadows.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Hmmm

Will he blame his lawyers for this picture also for this? We all know what Trump represents to the reactionary forces who hate our democracy, attempted to overturn the last election, and want nothing more than to restore their white male hegemony to our political and social structure.

Whether Kyle intended this or not, how does this look? How do we think this is going to be interpreted by the RW and its media? How will this be interpreted by those “very fine people” who are itching for more white vigilantism?



His actions speak a lot louder than his words…

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

His lawyers would have told him not to admit to any wrongdoing, as there is still the potential for civil action against him. I don't have a lot of sympathy for him, at least compared to the people he shot. This case went the way I thought it would.

Now the Arbery case, if at least two of those guys aren't convicted, I do expect uproar. I have a hard time charging the neighbor with murder when he supposedly didn't know the other two had guns and was following and recording, but I haven't been following close enough to know if there are other details regarding the neighbor's actions that put him in a worse light.

Yeah those guys are toast. Of the most recent BLM reaction points, this case and the Elija McLean case stand out as the most blatantly racially motivated in my mind. Broad daylight and the elder McMichael calls 911 to report a black man running down his street. Really gives us a glimpse of the still segregated Georgia. All Arbery did was run past his house for Pete’s sake and he tells his son to grab the shotgun!!! I mean I know about the construction site (Arbery assumed to be casing it) and the citizens arrest law in effect but what a bunch of redneck busy bodies. Stupid and racist is a lethal combination! They deserve what they get, even Bryan IMO.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Are you really claiming that you don't understand the difference between "this is how X is calculated" and "these are the reasons this measurement is low"? I figured I had at l had at least been interacting with a moderately intelligent partisan. I'm going to assume this is some odd blindness as opposed to genuine stupidity.

I suppose Politifact and all of math could be wrong but I'm going with the idea that you are doing some crazy mental gymnastics to explain away the obvious and doing your best to stick the landing.

"These people are not usually charged, so there is no reason to use these charges to separate families" is a coherent argument.

That isn't what she said and no it isn't a coherent argument because that would be granting prosecutorial powers the officers do not have. Their job is to enforce the law. If AOC doesn't like the laws the officers are enforcing then maybe she should hold responsible the body who makes the laws in this country. I'm sure there is a mirror somewhere in her office.

 

[TheGoldStandard]

All 3 guilty in the Arbery case. Not surprised.

 

[infection]

Still trying to wrap my mind around all the controversy in the Rittenhouse case, people continually referencing numerous media-driven inaccuracies (if not outright lies) that are cleared up with even a modicum of understanding of the case or watching any amount of the trial, and the implication of white supremacy, particular for anyone not supporting conviction, but then near silence on the Arbery case. Three convictions, and virtually nobody on any side supporting those guys. Instead of attention on the murder convictions of three white guys who chased down and killed a black guy, we instead get the focus on a kid where the owners of a minority-owned business asked a group for help to protect their business that was set on fire the night before by largely-white rioters. Two white people were shot in what was determined by the courts to be self-defense, but all of the focus was on that trial and what they believed it said about white supremacy.

 

[One Brow]

I suppose Politifact and all of math could be wrong

I'm not arguing with the Politifact article, it seems to be accurate AFAICT. I'm also not arguing about which arithmetic is used to calculate unemployment.

It's pretty simple: "how is X measured" is different from "why is X so high/low".

For an easy example, you can measure the height of the water in a pool by using markings on the side, or by dropping a line to the bottom and seeing how long it is, or by reflecting a sound off the bottom. None of these methods of measurement tell you why the pool is eight feet deep.

Politifact accurately stated that Ocasio-Cortez misidentified the reason for low unemployment. A reason for something is nonetheless different than a calculation of something. Ocasio-Cortez didn't talk about how unemployment was calculated, nor did Politifact.

but I'm going with the idea that you are doing some crazy mental gymnastics

I still refuse to believe that you are so dull that you don't understand "how" is different from "why" and think that it is "mental gymnastics". I guessing this is just such an appealing narrative for you that you don't care about the distinction nearly as much as the 'gotcha'. However, you could still persuade that I'm wrong on that point.

That isn't what she said

It's not a direct quote, but it's pretty obvious in context.

and no it isn't a coherent argument because that would be granting prosecutorial powers the officers do not have.

Please. For decades we didn't separate children of people claiming asylum from their families, and no one thought it was about prosecutorial powers. It was a matter of standard procedure that was altered by the Trump administration, and the decision was entirely bureaucratic.

Their job is to enforce the law.

The point being that how this law was enforced was altered by the Trump administration.

If AOC doesn't like the laws the officers are enforcing then maybe she should hold responsible the body who makes the laws in this country.

If she doesn't like enforcement decisions, she should talk to people responsible for making enforcement decisions. Like, say, Mr. Homan.

 

[Gameface]

Not sure it needs it's own thread, so here's this:

3 men charged in Ahmaud Arbery's death convicted of murder

Three men were convicted of murder Wednesday in the killing of Ahmaud Arbery, the Black man who was running empty-handed through a Georgia subdivision when the white strangers chased him, trapped him on a quiet street and blasted him with a shotgun.

www.ksl.com

 

[AlaskanAssassin]

Still trying to wrap my mind around all the controversy in the Rittenhouse case, people continually referencing numerous media-driven inaccuracies (if not outright lies) that are cleared up with even a modicum of understanding of the case or watching any amount of the trial, and the implication of white supremacy, particular for anyone not supporting conviction, but then near silence on the Arbery case. Three convictions, and virtually nobody on any side supporting those guys. Instead of attention on the murder convictions of three white guys who chased down and killed a black guy, we instead get the focus on a kid where the owners of a minority-owned business asked a group for help to protect their business that was set on fire the night before by largely-white rioters. Two white people were shot in what was determined by the courts to be self-defense, but all of the focus was on that trial and what they believed it said about white supremacy.

I'm struggling to understand it as well. I just went to the Yahoo homepage, assuming I'd find something on the Arbery case, and the first thing that pops up is "Kyle Rittenhouse proves that White Women birth White Supremacy while Black Mothers Birth its Victims."

Regardless of your position on anything, shouldn't there be some recognition in the media right now that our justice system got this one correct? Imagine the coverage this would have received if they were found non-guilty. It's become painfully obvious that the media's goal is to rile people up as opposed to reporting the news.

 

[babe]

I can't help but to think that a big reason why many on the right hate AOC is because she's so attractive. If she had been a 60 something overweight white dude with the same beliefs, I don't think we'd see near the vitriol. Just my opinion.

Trying to explain conservatives is not your best hand.

I think it is what she says, if not directly The Young Turks and Soros management. The strategy was to displace moderate Dem party deadwood in heavy Dem areas with "useful" revolutionaries. Co-ordinated plays with local prosecutors and city officials so the paid-for riot crews could make the news. Commie burn the village to build back "better" sort of stuff.

Lots of smart-looking chicks out there, in every ditch, every niche, every political party. After a while, guys grow old and actually learn to listen to what the chick says.

Looks to me like the revolution has lost its fizz already. Bankers rule.